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		<dc:creator>Ciara O'Shea</dc:creator>
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<p><img src="http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-08-at-12.09.21-AM-640x298.jpg" alt="" title="It&#039;s, like, a smart people thing" width="640" height="298" class="alignnone size-post640 wp-image-21109" /><br />
This summer, I lived with a revolving cast of roommates, one of whom was going to go to law school in September. One night, my roommate mentioned that he was going to go through law school so he could &#8220;meet the right people,&#8221; and then he said he&#8217;d apply to med school because that was his real passion. I may have choked a bit when he said that. I was in college for seven years because I did a master&#8217;s program in English literature, followed by a Master of Library and Information Studies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to say that I&#8217;ve made better choices about grad school than he has (because he&#8217;s probably going to be a millionaire lawyer/doctor, and I may have to fight for funding forever), but I definitely worry about his reasoning and wished I had brought it up with him in the moment. A lot of people have talked to me while they&#8217;re applying for grad school, or when they&#8217;re considering dropping out. Here are my suggestions for people thinking about going back to school: <!--more--></p>
<p><strong>Have a goal before you consider more education.</strong><br />
It can be vague (&#8220;figure out what I want to do with my life&#8221;), or it can be specific (&#8220;get the required skills and degree to work as a lawyer&#8221;), but it has to exist. It may change with time, but you need to have a yardstick to compare reality with, and a carrot-and-stick to encourage you when you&#8217;re in school—especially when it gets overwhelming (it will get overwhelming).</p>
<p>When I applied for my master&#8217;s program in English lit, I was fairly sure I wanted to teach high school English and math, but I was also encouraged by a lot of people, including professors, to consider teaching in higher education. So I applied to both teachers college and a master&#8217;s of English imagining that I wouldn’t get into my master&#8217;s program (and not be able go on to get a Ph.D)—thereby shutting down the dream of teaching in a university. I ended up being accepted into both programs, which made me recognize that I still was dreaming about being a professor, and that an M.A. would help me if I decided that I&#8217;d rather teach at the high school level. Pursuing a master&#8217;s degree would allow me to keep my options open—especially since it was going to be completely free, which leads to the second point.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Decide what route will best help you with that goal.</strong><br />
Grad school is not always the answer. Sometimes, what you should do is get more experience (in life or work), or get a certificate that allows you to specialize in something. Do your research, and if you have a specific career goal in mind, talk to people who have the job that interests you and find out how they got there. Ask about their day-to-day, their least and most favorite parts of their jobs, and what they would recommend to people who are considering their career. They might suggest a completely different experience/education route than what you were imagining, or you might discover that you&#8217;re not cut out for the job.</p>
<p>At least 15 people dropped out of the library program in the first month, and although some people probably left because of personal circumstances, others left when they discovered that being a librarian wasn’t what they thought it would be. If they had done their research, they could have discovered all of this before and saved themselves a ton of time and money.</p>
<p>If you do decide you are going to go back to school, here are some things to think about:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Find a program that will work for you and your goals.</strong><br />
Try to contact students in the program (there is usually an official student contact, but I went with a friend of a friend) and become familiar with the program&#8217;s expectations and culture. Being privy to the idea that a lot of assignments were done in groups, and that most people are on the executive of a student committee prepared me for the culture shock of going from a mostly solitary English program to Library Land where everyone has to talk about everything at least 20 times to get things done.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Be prepared for disappointments.</strong><br />
On my first day of my English program, I was informed (along with everyone else in the Welcome meeting) that I was on &#8220;a sinking ship.&#8221; Three weeks later, we were told that &#8220;academia is a life of monastic devotion.&#8221; Honestly, within two days of starting my program, I realized that I was never going to be a professor, and that I really didn’t want to be one. I didn’t have the right mind frame to be one, and I never would. It was troubling to have that bubble burst, and have a career possibility taken away from me, but it was also freeing.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Be open to possibilities (and maybe new goals).</strong><br />
The summer before my English M.A. program, I met a librarian who worked at the hospital in my home town who was really open to talking to me. After that meeting, I kept running into librarians all over the place, and since I now knew I was never going to be a professor, I was open to considering how being a librarian would fit with within my goals. Librarians teach people (how to use technology, how to do research), help people, and encourage learning, which really matched what appealed to me about teaching. Ultimately, I decided I would be a better librarian than teacher.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Remember your goals (even if they change along the way).</strong><br />
Grad school eats up your free time, and it can be very stressful. I have met a few people who didn’t have a real reason to be in various post-grad programs, and whose goals did not fit with where they were. I definitely encouraged those people to consider leaving programs that weren’t the right fit for them. Your time should be spent in ways that make you better, and it shouldn’t be wasted just because you feel that you need to finish everything you start. Assess where you are and where you want to be. If there is a real disconnect then leave the program, try to figure out what will work for you and then make your next move.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>And always remember: Experience is the most important thing you can get.</strong><br />
If your goal is to figure out what you should be doing with your life, chase down every chance available to you. Volunteer, get on committees, do internships or practicums, organize events, and look for opportunities to work. At the very least, experience lets you know where you don’t want to be. Sometimes it even helps you figure out where you belong, and it helps you make the connections you need for the future.</p>
<p>Even if you are overwhelmed by academic life, try to do one non-school related thing. If nothing else, it will make you keep to a schedule, which will help in the non-academic world. I also met a lot of amazing people through my experiences which included a practicum, being the treasurer and external liaison for a student committee, a part-time job and a lot of volunteering. These experiences were a big factor in why I was considered for the position I currently have. One of my best decisions was to try to get a part-time job as a library assistant. Since I was able to keep the job after I graduated, I was then able to cover my living expenses for the four months it took to get a librarian position.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t regret the route I took at all, but I also understood and was prepared for the education commitment and career expectations. My M.A. will definitely help me if I decide to go into academic librarianship, and my MLIS is required for most positions I am interested in. I feel like I made the right choice, and I hope that other people  feel the same way about their post-undergraduate choices, because they can be really costly in terms of time and money.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><em>Ciara O’Shea lives in a big Canadian city but works in small towns.</em></p>

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<p><img src="http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-08-at-12.09.21-AM-640x298.jpg" alt="" title="It&#039;s, like, a smart people thing" width="640" height="298" class="alignnone size-post640 wp-image-21109" /><br />
This summer, I lived with a revolving cast of roommates, one of whom was going to go to law school in September. One night, my roommate mentioned that he was going to go through law school so he could &#8220;meet the right people,&#8221; and then he said he&#8217;d apply to med school because that was his real passion. I may have choked a bit when he said that. I was in college for seven years because I did a master&#8217;s program in English literature, followed by a Master of Library and Information Studies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to say that I&#8217;ve made better choices about grad school than he has (because he&#8217;s probably going to be a millionaire lawyer/doctor, and I may have to fight for funding forever), but I definitely worry about his reasoning and wished I had brought it up with him in the moment. A lot of people have talked to me while they&#8217;re applying for grad school, or when they&#8217;re considering dropping out. Here are my suggestions for people thinking about going back to school: <span id="more-21103"></span></p>
<p><strong>Have a goal before you consider more education.</strong><br />
It can be vague (&#8220;figure out what I want to do with my life&#8221;), or it can be specific (&#8220;get the required skills and degree to work as a lawyer&#8221;), but it has to exist. It may change with time, but you need to have a yardstick to compare reality with, and a carrot-and-stick to encourage you when you&#8217;re in school—especially when it gets overwhelming (it will get overwhelming).</p>
<p>When I applied for my master&#8217;s program in English lit, I was fairly sure I wanted to teach high school English and math, but I was also encouraged by a lot of people, including professors, to consider teaching in higher education. So I applied to both teachers college and a master&#8217;s of English imagining that I wouldn’t get into my master&#8217;s program (and not be able go on to get a Ph.D)—thereby shutting down the dream of teaching in a university. I ended up being accepted into both programs, which made me recognize that I still was dreaming about being a professor, and that an M.A. would help me if I decided that I&#8217;d rather teach at the high school level. Pursuing a master&#8217;s degree would allow me to keep my options open—especially since it was going to be completely free, which leads to the second point.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Decide what route will best help you with that goal.</strong><br />
Grad school is not always the answer. Sometimes, what you should do is get more experience (in life or work), or get a certificate that allows you to specialize in something. Do your research, and if you have a specific career goal in mind, talk to people who have the job that interests you and find out how they got there. Ask about their day-to-day, their least and most favorite parts of their jobs, and what they would recommend to people who are considering their career. They might suggest a completely different experience/education route than what you were imagining, or you might discover that you&#8217;re not cut out for the job.</p>
<p>At least 15 people dropped out of the library program in the first month, and although some people probably left because of personal circumstances, others left when they discovered that being a librarian wasn’t what they thought it would be. If they had done their research, they could have discovered all of this before and saved themselves a ton of time and money.</p>
<p>If you do decide you are going to go back to school, here are some things to think about:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Find a program that will work for you and your goals.</strong><br />
Try to contact students in the program (there is usually an official student contact, but I went with a friend of a friend) and become familiar with the program&#8217;s expectations and culture. Being privy to the idea that a lot of assignments were done in groups, and that most people are on the executive of a student committee prepared me for the culture shock of going from a mostly solitary English program to Library Land where everyone has to talk about everything at least 20 times to get things done.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Be prepared for disappointments.</strong><br />
On my first day of my English program, I was informed (along with everyone else in the Welcome meeting) that I was on &#8220;a sinking ship.&#8221; Three weeks later, we were told that &#8220;academia is a life of monastic devotion.&#8221; Honestly, within two days of starting my program, I realized that I was never going to be a professor, and that I really didn’t want to be one. I didn’t have the right mind frame to be one, and I never would. It was troubling to have that bubble burst, and have a career possibility taken away from me, but it was also freeing.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Be open to possibilities (and maybe new goals).</strong><br />
The summer before my English M.A. program, I met a librarian who worked at the hospital in my home town who was really open to talking to me. After that meeting, I kept running into librarians all over the place, and since I now knew I was never going to be a professor, I was open to considering how being a librarian would fit with within my goals. Librarians teach people (how to use technology, how to do research), help people, and encourage learning, which really matched what appealed to me about teaching. Ultimately, I decided I would be a better librarian than teacher.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Remember your goals (even if they change along the way).</strong><br />
Grad school eats up your free time, and it can be very stressful. I have met a few people who didn’t have a real reason to be in various post-grad programs, and whose goals did not fit with where they were. I definitely encouraged those people to consider leaving programs that weren’t the right fit for them. Your time should be spent in ways that make you better, and it shouldn’t be wasted just because you feel that you need to finish everything you start. Assess where you are and where you want to be. If there is a real disconnect then leave the program, try to figure out what will work for you and then make your next move.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>And always remember: Experience is the most important thing you can get.</strong><br />
If your goal is to figure out what you should be doing with your life, chase down every chance available to you. Volunteer, get on committees, do internships or practicums, organize events, and look for opportunities to work. At the very least, experience lets you know where you don’t want to be. Sometimes it even helps you figure out where you belong, and it helps you make the connections you need for the future.</p>
<p>Even if you are overwhelmed by academic life, try to do one non-school related thing. If nothing else, it will make you keep to a schedule, which will help in the non-academic world. I also met a lot of amazing people through my experiences which included a practicum, being the treasurer and external liaison for a student committee, a part-time job and a lot of volunteering. These experiences were a big factor in why I was considered for the position I currently have. One of my best decisions was to try to get a part-time job as a library assistant. Since I was able to keep the job after I graduated, I was then able to cover my living expenses for the four months it took to get a librarian position.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t regret the route I took at all, but I also understood and was prepared for the education commitment and career expectations. My M.A. will definitely help me if I decide to go into academic librarianship, and my MLIS is required for most positions I am interested in. I feel like I made the right choice, and I hope that other people  feel the same way about their post-undergraduate choices, because they can be really costly in terms of time and money.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><em>Ciara O’Shea lives in a big Canadian city but works in small towns.</em></p>

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		<title>Embarrassing Things I’ve Done When Looking for Work </title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Markowitz</dc:creator>
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You’re looking for a new job. It can be either your dream job, or your just-for-now job, but the process is still the same. You update your resume. You send emails. You have phone interviews where you hope the interviewer can’t tell by the sound of your voice that you’re not wearing pants. I’ve been there and have made mistakes so that you don’t have to.</p>
<p><strong>Informational Interviews</strong></p>
<p>A friend put me in touch with his friend who was in the industry I was hoping to break into. After some emailing, he graciously agreed to meet up for a drink, so I could pick his brain. I wrote down a list of questions I wanted to ask, and was excited to hear the advice he would give me. I was trying to keep my expectations in check when I arrive at the bar and realized there was a slight problem.</p>
<p>Now it may have been the lighting of the bar, or the tweediness of his jacket, but he’s definitely within the range of dudes I would be attracted to. Oh no. I keep asking him questions, but while he’s answering all I’m thinking is &#8220;<em>I wonder what my listening face looks like right now? Stop! Listen to what he’s saying. Although what if this is our meet-cute, but then our dynamic is such that he tries to give me advice all the time? I think I would hate that. Or I might be into it in a Jack Donaghy sort of way? Ok, must focus. I wonder what my focused face is looking like right now?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>It was time to order a second drink. He ordered whiskey (they always do). It was my turn. I remember I was aiming to sound cool and laid back (<em>with my mind on my money, and my money on my mind)</em> when I heard myself say, &#8220;I’ll just have a gin and juice please.&#8221; <!--more--></p>
<p>That didn’t work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Really? I’ve never even made that. What kind of juice do you want in that?&#8221; the bartender eyed me skeptically.</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess cranberry juice? Cranberry juice seems straight out of Compton, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know. Ok, cranberry juice and gin it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Great, thanks! Actually can I just sub out the gin for vodka then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Rookie mistake. Never try to be cool. Remember, you are your own worst enemy. Also, no ambiguity is best in these situations. Therefore I’d try to meet for these sort of things in neutral locations where no one has ever felt any sexual tension, i.e. coffee or a lunch where you both are eating difficult things like salads or burritos.</p>
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<p><strong>First Interview</strong></p>
<p>These are usually a breeze. We’re going through my resume line by line, I’m explaining away my bachelor of fine arts as a youthful dalliance, much like experimenting with one’s sexuality or veganism, when what I really want to do is &#8220;whatever that company happens to do.&#8221; Everything’s going well, the 55-year-old recruiter is asking my availability for a second interview, when I see a photo on his desk of three women in their twenties. This is my in!</p>
<p>&#8220;Aw, you have three daughters? I’m the middle of three girls. They look really close.&#8221;</p>
<p>He looks at me the way I look at people when they tell me they don’t like dogs.</p>
<p>&#8220;No. I have two daughters. The one in the middle is my wife.&#8221; <em>OH NOOOOO. We have a Soon-Yi situation on our hands. Must save this.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Well, you know, your wife looks very youthful, so…congrats.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Lesson:</b> Don’t comment on people’s framed photos on their desk. Unless they’re in a photo with someone so high-profile, it would be weird if you didn’t comment on it. Like a former President. Or Andy Cohen.</p>
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<p><strong>Stock Answers</strong></p>
<p>As everyone knows, it’s important to have certain stock answers at the ready, since they come up so often.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;What would you say your biggest weakness is?&#8221;</strong> should <em>always </em>be answered with &#8220;Excel.&#8221; No one actually expects anyone to know all the ins and outs of Excel, and I anticipate it will be phased out any day now. (Note: This is actually horrible advice. Excel will be used for the rest of Time, and will outlive us all. Also your subpar skills will make you beholden to the person in the office who is the best at it, <em>Smug Excel Guy</em>).</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;What do you like to do for fun?&#8221;</strong> This seems like a no-brainer. Just display a smattering of varied interests that makes it seem like you are a well-rounded person, and unlikely to spend all of your free time on only one intense hobby. (Shout out to my friend who is obsessed with talking about how he brews his own beer.) Just quickly plan what you say in your head first.</p>
<p><strong>How you should answer:</strong> &#8220;Going to the movies, seeing friends and family, and volunteering.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>How I answered once:</strong> &#8220;Going to the movies, comedy shows, reading books, and I like tapas bars.&#8221; 1) You know what sounds exactly like <em>topless bars</em>? Tapas bars. 2) Tapas bar? That’s right up there with &#8220;hip nightclub&#8221; as expressions I only use when I’m nervous or trying to explain my life to my grandparents.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;What are some of your favorite movies?&#8221; </strong>is the job interview equivalent of the &#8220;what kind of music do you like?&#8221; question in dating. There are no winners with this question, and make no mistake: You are being tested.</p>
<p><strong>How you should answer:</strong> &#8220;<em>It’s a Wonderful Life.</em>&#8221; Boring and safe. (And wonderful!)</p>
<p><strong>How I answered once:</strong> &#8220;Oh wow. I guess the usual movies everyone likes&#8230; Let’s see, off the top of my head it would be <em>Christmas Vacation, Annie Hall, </em>umm <em>City Slickers</em>&#8230;and (at this point I realize I’ve completely lost the 65-year-old man interviewing me, and am trying to relate to him when I see golf clubs in the corner of his office)&#8230; and of course, one of my all-time favorites, <em>The Legend of Bagger Vance</em>?&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Spoiler alert:</b> Naming period golf films that you’ve never seen will get you nowhere. I didn’t get the job. On the plus side, I did reignite my interest in <em>City Slickers</em>, which I would have forgotten about if it wasn’t for my stream-of-consciousness job interview.</p>
<p><b>Lessons learned:</b> Be yourself, but try to be the most put-together version of yourself. If you do happen to say anything embarrassing, just write it all down and eventually put it on the internet and hope that no future employers see it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><em><a href="https://twitter.com/#!/michmarkowitz">Michelle Markowitz</a> is a comedy writer and storyteller in New York.  She co-hosts the comedic storytelling shows “Failing Our Twenties” and “Hookups &amp; Hang-Ups,” and can be <a href="http://www.michellemarkowitz.com/">found online</a> (usually talking about her love of Chipotle), and receives links to animals doing cute things at her <a href="mailto:michellemarkowitz@gmail.com">email address</a>.</p>

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<p><img src="http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Screen-Shot-2012-12-09-at-9.38.30-PM-640x257.jpg" alt="" title="Maybe you haven&#039;t worked in offices like this before, but jokes like that aren&#039;t ok" width="640" height="257" class="alignnone size-post640 wp-image-19632" /><br />
You’re looking for a new job. It can be either your dream job, or your just-for-now job, but the process is still the same. You update your resume. You send emails. You have phone interviews where you hope the interviewer can’t tell by the sound of your voice that you’re not wearing pants. I’ve been there and have made mistakes so that you don’t have to.</p>
<p><strong>Informational Interviews</strong></p>
<p>A friend put me in touch with his friend who was in the industry I was hoping to break into. After some emailing, he graciously agreed to meet up for a drink, so I could pick his brain. I wrote down a list of questions I wanted to ask, and was excited to hear the advice he would give me. I was trying to keep my expectations in check when I arrive at the bar and realized there was a slight problem.</p>
<p>Now it may have been the lighting of the bar, or the tweediness of his jacket, but he’s definitely within the range of dudes I would be attracted to. Oh no. I keep asking him questions, but while he’s answering all I’m thinking is &#8220;<em>I wonder what my listening face looks like right now? Stop! Listen to what he’s saying. Although what if this is our meet-cute, but then our dynamic is such that he tries to give me advice all the time? I think I would hate that. Or I might be into it in a Jack Donaghy sort of way? Ok, must focus. I wonder what my focused face is looking like right now?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>It was time to order a second drink. He ordered whiskey (they always do). It was my turn. I remember I was aiming to sound cool and laid back (<em>with my mind on my money, and my money on my mind)</em> when I heard myself say, &#8220;I’ll just have a gin and juice please.&#8221; <span id="more-19625"></span></p>
<p>That didn’t work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Really? I’ve never even made that. What kind of juice do you want in that?&#8221; the bartender eyed me skeptically.</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess cranberry juice? Cranberry juice seems straight out of Compton, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know. Ok, cranberry juice and gin it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Great, thanks! Actually can I just sub out the gin for vodka then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Rookie mistake. Never try to be cool. Remember, you are your own worst enemy. Also, no ambiguity is best in these situations. Therefore I’d try to meet for these sort of things in neutral locations where no one has ever felt any sexual tension, i.e. coffee or a lunch where you both are eating difficult things like salads or burritos.</p>
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<p><strong>First Interview</strong></p>
<p>These are usually a breeze. We’re going through my resume line by line, I’m explaining away my bachelor of fine arts as a youthful dalliance, much like experimenting with one’s sexuality or veganism, when what I really want to do is &#8220;whatever that company happens to do.&#8221; Everything’s going well, the 55-year-old recruiter is asking my availability for a second interview, when I see a photo on his desk of three women in their twenties. This is my in!</p>
<p>&#8220;Aw, you have three daughters? I’m the middle of three girls. They look really close.&#8221;</p>
<p>He looks at me the way I look at people when they tell me they don’t like dogs.</p>
<p>&#8220;No. I have two daughters. The one in the middle is my wife.&#8221; <em>OH NOOOOO. We have a Soon-Yi situation on our hands. Must save this.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Well, you know, your wife looks very youthful, so…congrats.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Lesson:</b> Don’t comment on people’s framed photos on their desk. Unless they’re in a photo with someone so high-profile, it would be weird if you didn’t comment on it. Like a former President. Or Andy Cohen.</p>
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<p><strong>Stock Answers</strong></p>
<p>As everyone knows, it’s important to have certain stock answers at the ready, since they come up so often.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;What would you say your biggest weakness is?&#8221;</strong> should <em>always </em>be answered with &#8220;Excel.&#8221; No one actually expects anyone to know all the ins and outs of Excel, and I anticipate it will be phased out any day now. (Note: This is actually horrible advice. Excel will be used for the rest of Time, and will outlive us all. Also your subpar skills will make you beholden to the person in the office who is the best at it, <em>Smug Excel Guy</em>).</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;What do you like to do for fun?&#8221;</strong> This seems like a no-brainer. Just display a smattering of varied interests that makes it seem like you are a well-rounded person, and unlikely to spend all of your free time on only one intense hobby. (Shout out to my friend who is obsessed with talking about how he brews his own beer.) Just quickly plan what you say in your head first.</p>
<p><strong>How you should answer:</strong> &#8220;Going to the movies, seeing friends and family, and volunteering.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>How I answered once:</strong> &#8220;Going to the movies, comedy shows, reading books, and I like tapas bars.&#8221; 1) You know what sounds exactly like <em>topless bars</em>? Tapas bars. 2) Tapas bar? That’s right up there with &#8220;hip nightclub&#8221; as expressions I only use when I’m nervous or trying to explain my life to my grandparents.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;What are some of your favorite movies?&#8221; </strong>is the job interview equivalent of the &#8220;what kind of music do you like?&#8221; question in dating. There are no winners with this question, and make no mistake: You are being tested.</p>
<p><strong>How you should answer:</strong> &#8220;<em>It’s a Wonderful Life.</em>&#8221; Boring and safe. (And wonderful!)</p>
<p><strong>How I answered once:</strong> &#8220;Oh wow. I guess the usual movies everyone likes&#8230; Let’s see, off the top of my head it would be <em>Christmas Vacation, Annie Hall, </em>umm <em>City Slickers</em>&#8230;and (at this point I realize I’ve completely lost the 65-year-old man interviewing me, and am trying to relate to him when I see golf clubs in the corner of his office)&#8230; and of course, one of my all-time favorites, <em>The Legend of Bagger Vance</em>?&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Spoiler alert:</b> Naming period golf films that you’ve never seen will get you nowhere. I didn’t get the job. On the plus side, I did reignite my interest in <em>City Slickers</em>, which I would have forgotten about if it wasn’t for my stream-of-consciousness job interview.</p>
<p><b>Lessons learned:</b> Be yourself, but try to be the most put-together version of yourself. If you do happen to say anything embarrassing, just write it all down and eventually put it on the internet and hope that no future employers see it.</p>
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<p><em><a href="https://twitter.com/#!/michmarkowitz">Michelle Markowitz</a> is a comedy writer and storyteller in New York.  She co-hosts the comedic storytelling shows “Failing Our Twenties” and “Hookups &amp; Hang-Ups,” and can be <a href="http://www.michellemarkowitz.com/">found online</a> (usually talking about her love of Chipotle), and receives links to animals doing cute things at her <a href="mailto:michellemarkowitz@gmail.com">email address</a>.</p>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 19:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dang</dc:creator>
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<i>I graduated from grad school in December in a slightly obscure field. I&#8217;m currently working two jobs, neither of which are connected to that field. My second job is as a waitress at a busy local restaurant, where I found out that one of my regular customers is involved in the field I&#8217;m dying to work in. When his career and my work interests came up in passing, I blurted out &#8220;I&#8217;d love to talk about that sometime with you,&#8221; and he (seemingly genuinely) responded that he&#8217;d be happy to.</i></p>
<p><i>However, he&#8217;s never broached the subject again, and I feel like I&#8217;m imposing and haven&#8217;t brought it up. Further complicating the situation is that I&#8217;m in this service position, asking a favor of him, in an incredibly busy restaurant (where there is not a huge amount of time for chit-chat and segueing into different subjects). He is also usually dining with his lovely wife and child, and I think it&#8217;d be uncomfortable for me to be like, &#8220;Hey, here are my digits,&#8221; and just totally encroach on their brunch (we&#8217;re all agreed that brunch is the mostly sacred of times, right?). I know the onus is entirely upon me to pursue an informational interview with this man; it&#8217;s just that figuring out how to politely pick his brain is proving a challenge. I tend to be reserved and to way over-think things; please help me figure out how to smoothly and tactfully request a career chat with this guy. — K.G.</i></p>
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<p>Every now and then, I&#8217;ll get an email from a random person asking me if I can read something they wrote and offer feedback, and I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Sure! Just give me some time.&#8221; And then a few weeks will go by and I&#8217;ll have forgotten about it. It will have completely slipped my mind. I&#8217;m not the sort of person who just agrees to do something to be nice, and then break my word. Priorities pile up, life happens, and things get lost in the mix. But then I&#8217;ll get a follow-up email from the person saying something along the lines of, &#8220;Sorry to bother you again, because I know you&#8217;re busy, but have you gotten a chance to look at the thing I sent you?&#8221; I will respond immediately: &#8220;I haven&#8217;t! I totally forgot about it, I&#8217;ll make sure to do it tonight and will get back to you.&#8221; And then I do just that. <!--more--></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, people who say they&#8217;re happy to do something usually truly are happy to do it. They also get busy and forget to do something if it&#8217;s not in their schedule. If someone asked to meet with me, and then never followed up to set up an actual date and time to meet, well, we would probably not meet. Taking the initiative to ask someone you don&#8217;t know for their time <a href="http://thebillfold.com/2012/08/the-informational-interview-is-actually-a-thing-you-should-do-yes/">is good</a>, and can lead to great things. But following up on that ask, and getting down a date is absolutely crucial. If there&#8217;s no date set in stone, that &#8220;sometime with you&#8221; will get lost and forgotten in the vagueness of &#8220;sometime.&#8221; It&#8217;s like when you run into a friend you haven&#8217;t seen in a long time, and say, &#8220;Oh, hey! We should grab lunch one of these days and catch up!&#8221; And then you never see each other again because you didn&#8217;t actually set up a date to have lunch and catch up.</p>
<p>So go ahead and broach the subject again. It doesn&#8217;t have to be complicated—just ask. Don&#8217;t interrupt his brunch, but perhaps when the bill is paid for, and your customer friend is preparing to leave, say, &#8220;Thank you for coming, I hope you enjoyed your meal. If you&#8217;re still up for it, I&#8217;d love 15 minutes of your time to chat about how you got involved in [bobsledding/PTS reports/dermatology/etc.]. Can I get your email address and pencil in a time this week or next?&#8221; It is also okay to hand him your business card (or your restaurant&#8217;s business card with your email scribbled on it). If he seemed genuinely happy to help when you last approached him, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be happy to help this time around too.</p>
<p>I think this question would be a fun one to crowdsource. What would you do if you were in K.G.&#8217;s position?</p>

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<p><img src="http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screen-Shot-2012-10-09-at-3.42.07-PM-640x322.jpg" alt="" title="Get on it so you can leave the job with all the flair" width="640" height="322" class="alignnone size-post640 wp-image-15077" /><br />
<i>I graduated from grad school in December in a slightly obscure field. I&#8217;m currently working two jobs, neither of which are connected to that field. My second job is as a waitress at a busy local restaurant, where I found out that one of my regular customers is involved in the field I&#8217;m dying to work in. When his career and my work interests came up in passing, I blurted out &#8220;I&#8217;d love to talk about that sometime with you,&#8221; and he (seemingly genuinely) responded that he&#8217;d be happy to.</i></p>
<p><i>However, he&#8217;s never broached the subject again, and I feel like I&#8217;m imposing and haven&#8217;t brought it up. Further complicating the situation is that I&#8217;m in this service position, asking a favor of him, in an incredibly busy restaurant (where there is not a huge amount of time for chit-chat and segueing into different subjects). He is also usually dining with his lovely wife and child, and I think it&#8217;d be uncomfortable for me to be like, &#8220;Hey, here are my digits,&#8221; and just totally encroach on their brunch (we&#8217;re all agreed that brunch is the mostly sacred of times, right?). I know the onus is entirely upon me to pursue an informational interview with this man; it&#8217;s just that figuring out how to politely pick his brain is proving a challenge. I tend to be reserved and to way over-think things; please help me figure out how to smoothly and tactfully request a career chat with this guy. — K.G.</i></p>
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<p>Every now and then, I&#8217;ll get an email from a random person asking me if I can read something they wrote and offer feedback, and I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Sure! Just give me some time.&#8221; And then a few weeks will go by and I&#8217;ll have forgotten about it. It will have completely slipped my mind. I&#8217;m not the sort of person who just agrees to do something to be nice, and then break my word. Priorities pile up, life happens, and things get lost in the mix. But then I&#8217;ll get a follow-up email from the person saying something along the lines of, &#8220;Sorry to bother you again, because I know you&#8217;re busy, but have you gotten a chance to look at the thing I sent you?&#8221; I will respond immediately: &#8220;I haven&#8217;t! I totally forgot about it, I&#8217;ll make sure to do it tonight and will get back to you.&#8221; And then I do just that. <span id="more-15076"></span></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, people who say they&#8217;re happy to do something usually truly are happy to do it. They also get busy and forget to do something if it&#8217;s not in their schedule. If someone asked to meet with me, and then never followed up to set up an actual date and time to meet, well, we would probably not meet. Taking the initiative to ask someone you don&#8217;t know for their time <a href="http://thebillfold.com/2012/08/the-informational-interview-is-actually-a-thing-you-should-do-yes/">is good</a>, and can lead to great things. But following up on that ask, and getting down a date is absolutely crucial. If there&#8217;s no date set in stone, that &#8220;sometime with you&#8221; will get lost and forgotten in the vagueness of &#8220;sometime.&#8221; It&#8217;s like when you run into a friend you haven&#8217;t seen in a long time, and say, &#8220;Oh, hey! We should grab lunch one of these days and catch up!&#8221; And then you never see each other again because you didn&#8217;t actually set up a date to have lunch and catch up.</p>
<p>So go ahead and broach the subject again. It doesn&#8217;t have to be complicated—just ask. Don&#8217;t interrupt his brunch, but perhaps when the bill is paid for, and your customer friend is preparing to leave, say, &#8220;Thank you for coming, I hope you enjoyed your meal. If you&#8217;re still up for it, I&#8217;d love 15 minutes of your time to chat about how you got involved in [bobsledding/PTS reports/dermatology/etc.]. Can I get your email address and pencil in a time this week or next?&#8221; It is also okay to hand him your business card (or your restaurant&#8217;s business card with your email scribbled on it). If he seemed genuinely happy to help when you last approached him, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be happy to help this time around too.</p>
<p>I think this question would be a fun one to crowdsource. What would you do if you were in K.G.&#8217;s position?</p>

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		<title>Informational Interviews Are Great: Addendum</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Logan Sachon</dc:creator>
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<p>Yesterday I said that <a href="http://thebillfold.com/2012/08/the-informational-interview-is-actually-a-thing-you-should-do-yes/">asking strangers to talk to you is a thing you should do</a>. I stand by that! Except for these two things:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Usually I would say, don’t ever ask people you don’t know to get coffee with you &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Nobody wants to meet you in person. Don’t even ask.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a jerk! I sound like a major, major jerk. JERK. And also: A hilarious hypocrite, because I ask people to coffee ALL THE TIME. Half of the coffee I&#8217;ve ever had has been with strangers I&#8217;ve coerced into meeting with me. And almost all of the beer. <!--more--></p>
<p>But here&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t recommend asking out your career role model as a first step: New York, man. Living in this city has made me pretty mortified that I used to flit into town and be like, &#8220;ATTENTION NEW YORK! GET A LATTE WITH ME!&#8221; And sure, yes: People like talking about themselves and like giving advice and I&#8217;m sure whatever time they spent with me was fine—I&#8217;m not a total bore (or boor). But people are so busy, which is something that I didn&#8217;t understand until very recently. I&#8217;m really not that busy at all and yet, still: I am so busy. So this piece of advice comes out of mortification, really. BY ASKING ADULTS FOR COFFEE WAS I REALLY ASKING FOR THE MOON?  I think it&#8217;s possible. </p>
<p>So: I think &#8220;FAN EMAIL, QUESTION?&#8221; and then &#8220;FAN EMAIL, PHONE CALL?&#8221; are respectful precursors to &#8220;FAN EMAIL, COFFEE?&#8221; But ultimately, grown ups know how to say, &#8220;no,&#8221; so do what you want.</p>

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<p>Yesterday I said that <a href="http://thebillfold.com/2012/08/the-informational-interview-is-actually-a-thing-you-should-do-yes/">asking strangers to talk to you is a thing you should do</a>. I stand by that! Except for these two things:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Usually I would say, don’t ever ask people you don’t know to get coffee with you &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Nobody wants to meet you in person. Don’t even ask.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a jerk! I sound like a major, major jerk. JERK. And also: A hilarious hypocrite, because I ask people to coffee ALL THE TIME. Half of the coffee I&#8217;ve ever had has been with strangers I&#8217;ve coerced into meeting with me. And almost all of the beer. <span id="more-10413"></span></p>
<p>But here&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t recommend asking out your career role model as a first step: New York, man. Living in this city has made me pretty mortified that I used to flit into town and be like, &#8220;ATTENTION NEW YORK! GET A LATTE WITH ME!&#8221; And sure, yes: People like talking about themselves and like giving advice and I&#8217;m sure whatever time they spent with me was fine—I&#8217;m not a total bore (or boor). But people are so busy, which is something that I didn&#8217;t understand until very recently. I&#8217;m really not that busy at all and yet, still: I am so busy. So this piece of advice comes out of mortification, really. BY ASKING ADULTS FOR COFFEE WAS I REALLY ASKING FOR THE MOON?  I think it&#8217;s possible. </p>
<p>So: I think &#8220;FAN EMAIL, QUESTION?&#8221; and then &#8220;FAN EMAIL, PHONE CALL?&#8221; are respectful precursors to &#8220;FAN EMAIL, COFFEE?&#8221; But ultimately, grown ups know how to say, &#8220;no,&#8221; so do what you want.</p>

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