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“The downfall of Pacquiao, if there is one, will be his kindness and generosity. At some point, I fear that’s going to catch up to him.” Beyond Pacquiao’s generosity, he reportedly squandered millions from gambling. That doesn’t even account for his fleet of cars and extensive property holdings, including houses, condos, apartments and such an intense desire to give his money away to the poor he had to hire people simply charged with the responsibility to apologize and prevent him from throwing money at all the open hands spread out before him.

SB Nation has a terrific profile of Manny Pacquiao, a successful professional boxer from the Philippines who despite earning nearly $200 million during his career, has lost most of it. By comparison, George Foreman, “one of boxing’s rare success stories,” has been able to maintain his wealth, but not because of his boxing, but because of his famous grill.

Photo: Eric Molina

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Laurabean (#3,040)

George Foreman got his start in LBJ’s Job Corp. I’ve see his title weight (?) belt and this robe at the LBJ library: http://www.lbjlibrary.org/exhibits/artifact-of-the-week/george-foremans-warm-up-robe

EvanDeSimone (#2,101)

Two things…
1. What are you all thinking about Black Friday? On the one hand I hate the idea of buying in to a commercial consumerist cattle call. On the other hand, I need a new winter coat…

2. I mentioned this in Monday check-in but, any of you guys on twitter? I like hanging out with you here and I need some more cool people to follow there. Think about it.

amglory89 (#3,588)

@EvanDeSimone 1. I’m thinking I wished it was up here more than it is but also secretly thankful that it is not because I would spend way more money than I should.

CubeRootOfPi (#1,098)

@EvanDeSimone Re: (1) – I think it’s a commercial consumerist cattle call as you said, but at the same time those sales may allow less financially off people to get the things they want/need.

lemur_niemer (#3,125)

@EvanDeSimone 1. There’s nothing I need, so I am not interested in Black Friday. However, if I needed a new computer or some other big-ticket item, I would totally do it. And by “it” I mean probably buy it online on cyber Monday?

2. Yup – @lemur_niemer. :)

EDaily (#4,396)

@EvanDeSimone I despise crowds, so I’m only looking online for deals.

andnowlights (#2,902)

@EvanDeSimone I’m sure there are good deals to be had, but I just cannot fathom fighting my way through those crowds! I would rather pay $20 more for a coat than go shopping that day. Crowds make me nuts not because I feel claustrophobic, but because that means there are so many people in my way!

I’m on twitter! http://www.twitter.com/andnowlights

EvanDeSimone (#2,101)

@amglory89 I am baffled as to how Canada has escaped black friday. Do you not have corporations? Malls? What is your secret???!

EvanDeSimone (#2,101)

@andnowlights This is how I feel actually, my friends have been trying to persuade me that it’s a fun game. I am semi-tempted because I need an expensive item so the savings would be meaningful but ugh, mall crowds.

wrappedupinbooks (#1,426)

@EvanDeSimone I don’t cross picket lines, even if they are largely symbolic. So, nothing.

themmases (#1,959)

@EvanDeSimone I never do Black Friday (except in college, when I worked it). My work experience alone would make me stay away, and I’m really glad that more workers are starting to protest it now. Every year I would get ridiculously long hours way outside my availability, often at the last minute, and retail workers often aren’t allowed to take *any* time off during this season just so they can be available to bag other people’s sale goods. And that’s the lucky people who aren’t put in danger at the crazier stores.

I had trouble finding recent examples just now, but some of my reading from last year (when smaller protests were planned) also suggests that Black Friday deals really aren’t that great. Like most other sales, there’s a handful of great deals if you are willing to trample your neighbors and want the thing offered, and many other prices aren’t better than at other times of year. It’s not true that these sales widely benefit low-income people who couldn’t buy gifts otherwise. Many truly low-income people are required to work Black Friday themselves– they don’t, as a group, have time to camp out outside of Best Buy.

themmases (#1,959)

@themmases Actually, here are two:
WSJ
NYT

Eric18 (#4,486)

@wrappedupinbooks Is every retail store in the U.S. going on strike?

Eric18 (#4,486)

@EvanDeSimone Sanctimonious, much? It’s a great chance to pick up some heavily discounted goods. If you want. If you do research. That’s the great thing about this quintessential American holiday. If you don’t want to, don’t. But spare me the judgement and sniffing of your nose.

And the “I hate crowds” argument becomes more and more irrelevant every year as often the best deals are online.

WayDownSouth (#3,431)

There is an interesting post today about someone who wanted to work at non-profits, but had difficulty adjusting his lifestyle to match the associated reduced income. What is the attraction of working at a non-profit? Since the pay is less, I assume that there must be something better about working there. Any thoughts?

CubeRootOfPi (#1,098)

@WayDownSouth Wanting to for a (particular) cause.

EDaily (#4,396)

@WayDownSouth The guy in that story said he wanted to go into public service (which sounds self-explanatory—he wanted to serve the public), and became a public defender—helping people who can’t afford to hire their own attorneys. He also ends up making $70K, which, is still a pretty decent salary. Also, it’s not that he couldn’t adjust his lifestyle—things happened: he went through a divorce, there was a recession. Wanting to do work for the greater public is admirable! I wouldn’t want to live in the type of society where people only chose to do things just for money (for one thing, we wouldn’t have teachers who’d dedicate their lives to educating our children).

WayDownSouth (#3,431)

@EDaily let me stress that I’m not being critical of the decision to work at a non-profit. I’m just trying to understand it.

I hadn’t associated non-profits with being a government worker. If I get a job with the government, is that a non-profit or does it apply only to private companies?

laluchita (#2,195)

@WayDownSouth Although I’ve only worked in food service/retail outside of the non-profit sector, I get the sense a lot of non-profits are a lot more flexible than the corporate world around things like flex time, work/life balance, etc. But the idea of “wanting to work at a non-profit” as a goal in and of itself is a little baffling to me, if it is not followed by “that works on x issue that i really care about.”

EDaily (#4,396)

@WayDownSouth There are non-profit and public sector jobs that serve the public, and then there is the for-profit sector.

@laluchita @WayDownSouth I think that sometimes people just end up there. Non Profits are still a business and need all the things a for profit business needs: admins, programmers, website designers, marketing, PR, accountants, lawyers, analysts, etc. So during a job search if you keep your options open you can end up up seriously considering non profits. Sometimes its the best job out of their options.

echolikebells (#3,272)

@WayDownSouth I work at a non-profit and plan to continue working for non-profits for the foreseeable future. Some examples of reasons I’ve heard for wanting to work in this sector from coworkers and friends: working for a cause you believe in, better culture/atmosphere than a lot of for-profit sector companies, higher percentage of women in high-level positions, tend to be more accepting of self-expression in work dress (hair color, tattoos, general clothing choices), a tendency among any given non-profit to attract at least somewhat like-minded people (I think this is related to the first item on my list, that a lot of the people being attracted to non-profits are so because they can work for a cause they care about, so a decent percentage of employees at each individual non-profit probably has at least one big cause in common), the public service loan forgiveness program, more focus on work-life balance.

amaeve (#5,095)

@laluchita In my experience, many nonprofits have no concept of work/life balance as compared to corporate jobs, and that is a major drawback. The cause is used as an excuse to take advantage of employees. If you can’t work 70 hour weeks enthusiastically for minimal pay, you must not really care. But, I want to continue working for nonprofits because I want to do work I feel good about, and also the skills I’ve developed over the years are pretty specific to nonprofits so I don’t know what else I would do.

echolikebells (#3,272)

@amaeve I do totally agree that most of them seem to have no concept of work/life balance and that the cause is used an an excuse to take advantage of employees a lot of the time. I’m always a little confused when coworkers cite this as a reason, but to each their own!

CubeRootOfPi (#1,098)

As I mentioned in the Friday Estimate, I’m eyeing a toaster oven (specifically a Breville). The Brevilles get great reviews and some of you (ok, ATF) really like it, but it’s expensive and I didn’t account for it in the budget. Would anyone have recommendations for a cheaper one or know of an upcoming sale for a Breville? Thanks!

LookUponMyWorks (#2,616)

@CubeRootOfPi Craigslist?

pearl (#153)

@CubeRootOfPi I love love love my Cuisinart convection toaster oven – like this one: http://amzn.com/B000PYF768 , with the front panel buttons but mine’s an older model. I use it for everything – we don’t even have a microwave. You can probably get an older, refurbished one on Amazon too, I actually got mine off Craigslist. It’s the best.

pearl (#153)

@pearl Look! You can get it for less than $100 on Overstock: http://www.overstock.com/search?keywords=cuisinart+convection+toaster+oven&SearchType=Header !! I am obsessed with this thing.

Bill Fostex (#573)

Check your beans, guys. You could win a $15 Kroger coupon.

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