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	<title>Comments on: Logan Saw a Dude Steal Some Coffee And Said Nothing And Mike Is Like, That&#8217;s Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: Sean Lai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Dang I believe you! You seem like a cool guy, as much as it is possible for me to evaluate something like that through the internet. 

My point was actually much better encapsulated by the public defender above; that is, people who were protesting the hard line against the theft were mostly talking about whether the guy needed the coffee in order to survive, which is natural. But even beyond that, the criminal justice system is so brutal (both in its immediate effects and its long-term consequences) that I&#039;d say we should be trying to keep people who commit minor harms out of it if possible, regardless of whether or not they are an authentic Jean Valjean.

PS, Asian raised-Catholic-but-not-really-involved-anymore solidarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Dang I believe you! You seem like a cool guy, as much as it is possible for me to evaluate something like that through the internet. </p>
<p>My point was actually much better encapsulated by the public defender above; that is, people who were protesting the hard line against the theft were mostly talking about whether the guy needed the coffee in order to survive, which is natural. But even beyond that, the criminal justice system is so brutal (both in its immediate effects and its long-term consequences) that I&#8217;d say we should be trying to keep people who commit minor harms out of it if possible, regardless of whether or not they are an authentic Jean Valjean.</p>
<p>PS, Asian raised-Catholic-but-not-really-involved-anymore solidarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline Shoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madeline Shoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@messica YES THIS. I had a manager at a non-profit who would put his direct line on acknowledgement letters I prepared, instead of the customer service line - not to give people good customer service, but so he would be the first one to find out if I made a mistake. Some people just really like confrontation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@messica YES THIS. I had a manager at a non-profit who would put his direct line on acknowledgement letters I prepared, instead of the customer service line &#8211; not to give people good customer service, but so he would be the first one to find out if I made a mistake. Some people just really like confrontation!</p>
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		<title>By: Amber Stewart@facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber Stewart@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh goddamit Logan and Mike I&#039;d JUST gotten &quot;Red and Black&quot; out of my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goddamit Logan and Mike I&#8217;d JUST gotten &#8220;Red and Black&#8221; out of my head.</p>
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		<title>By: messica</title>
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		<dc:creator>messica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think even less than, &quot;What is this guy needs it?&quot; I would think, &quot;What if the manager who gets the message is a d-bag lunatic?&quot;  In my retail experience I found most of my co-workers didn&#039;t care at all, except for the 5% who did who were big time assholes, you know?  Like, barricade the door, start a fight, haven&#039;t you heard of using your bootstraps, I will end up filing a police report about a bloodied thief type people. Obviously this is not scientific but if there is even a chance someone might get a black eye because of misplaced self-riteousness I err on the side of silence. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think even less than, &#8220;What is this guy needs it?&#8221; I would think, &#8220;What if the manager who gets the message is a d-bag lunatic?&#8221;  In my retail experience I found most of my co-workers didn&#8217;t care at all, except for the 5% who did who were big time assholes, you know?  Like, barricade the door, start a fight, haven&#8217;t you heard of using your bootstraps, I will end up filing a police report about a bloodied thief type people. Obviously this is not scientific but if there is even a chance someone might get a black eye because of misplaced self-riteousness I err on the side of silence.</p>
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		<title>By: emmabee</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes to everything Velveeta Chz said - Logan, you did the right thing.  Also, I think the question &quot;is it ok for a homeless man to steal coffee&quot; is separate from the question &quot;is Logan ethically obligated to tell a manager that a homeless man is stealing coffee.&quot;  And I think the answer to the second question is a lot clearer than the answer to the first question. There&#039;s a higher ethical threshold for bystander action -- like maybe &quot;if I don&#039;t intervene, it&#039;s likely that someone will be hurt.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes to everything Velveeta Chz said &#8211; Logan, you did the right thing.  Also, I think the question &#8220;is it ok for a homeless man to steal coffee&#8221; is separate from the question &#8220;is Logan ethically obligated to tell a manager that a homeless man is stealing coffee.&#8221;  And I think the answer to the second question is a lot clearer than the answer to the first question. There&#8217;s a higher ethical threshold for bystander action &#8212; like maybe &#8220;if I don&#8217;t intervene, it&#8217;s likely that someone will be hurt.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grimbalake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grimbalake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.... Starbucks has been avoiding paying millions of pounds in tax to the UK Treasury (you might say they have been stealing this tax liability from the UK tax payer). They paid £8.6m in total UK tax over 13 years during which they recorded sales of £3.1bn (taken from the article below, if my math is correct that&#039;s a tax rate of 0.3%). Couldn&#039;t some have the money they owed have been used to help people like your coffee stealer out of poverty? http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/dec/03/amazon-google-starbucks-tax-avoidance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;. Starbucks has been avoiding paying millions of pounds in tax to the UK Treasury (you might say they have been stealing this tax liability from the UK tax payer). They paid £8.6m in total UK tax over 13 years during which they recorded sales of £3.1bn (taken from the article below, if my math is correct that&#8217;s a tax rate of 0.3%). Couldn&#8217;t some have the money they owed have been used to help people like your coffee stealer out of poverty? <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/dec/03/amazon-google-starbucks-tax-avoidance" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/dec/03/amazon-google-starbucks-tax-avoidance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Dang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, I don&#039;t contemplate calling cops on people who smoke weed—I just wanted to throw that in as an example of something I wouldn&#039;t think about doing, that although I do respect laws, I don&#039;t always follow them. (To the commenter above, yes, I jaywalk too).

And I also don&#039;t think Logan chose to do the wrong thing and never says she does (she chose that title while putting this post together). She chose to do one thing, and I would likely choose to do another, just like you might choose to say something depending on how you were feeling on a particular day. I think that the reason we choose to do one thing rather than another is often drawn from our own experiences. Personally, I was taught that stealing is wrong both by my family and church, and although I&#039;m no longer a practicing Catholic, I still feel very strongly that it&#039;s wrong. I also had a very good friend who was brutally attacked and put in the hospital for a long time, and the reason her attacker was found not long after was because he was caught after someone reported him for theft. Even so, I do understand that people steal to survive and their reasons aren&#039;t always malicious, and that the criminal justice system is hard on people who are down and out, and these problems are deep-rooted and institutional and that there should be more programs and options available to help people so that they never have to resort to stealing in the first place. Basically, what I&#039;m trying to say is that I&#039;m not always a coldhearted narc, I swear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, I don&#8217;t contemplate calling cops on people who smoke weed—I just wanted to throw that in as an example of something I wouldn&#8217;t think about doing, that although I do respect laws, I don&#8217;t always follow them. (To the commenter above, yes, I jaywalk too).</p>
<p>And I also don&#8217;t think Logan chose to do the wrong thing and never says she does (she chose that title while putting this post together). She chose to do one thing, and I would likely choose to do another, just like you might choose to say something depending on how you were feeling on a particular day. I think that the reason we choose to do one thing rather than another is often drawn from our own experiences. Personally, I was taught that stealing is wrong both by my family and church, and although I&#8217;m no longer a practicing Catholic, I still feel very strongly that it&#8217;s wrong. I also had a very good friend who was brutally attacked and put in the hospital for a long time, and the reason her attacker was found not long after was because he was caught after someone reported him for theft. Even so, I do understand that people steal to survive and their reasons aren&#8217;t always malicious, and that the criminal justice system is hard on people who are down and out, and these problems are deep-rooted and institutional and that there should be more programs and options available to help people so that they never have to resort to stealing in the first place. Basically, what I&#8217;m trying to say is that I&#8217;m not always a coldhearted narc, I swear.</p>
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		<title>By: VintageGirl29</title>
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		<dc:creator>VintageGirl29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>velveeta chz comment, for real. I think that Logan had more empathy even for a second for a human being rather than a huge cooperation (I&#039;m not saying Starbucks is evil, but I&#039;m fairly sure they may still be  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/krugman-brewing-up-confusion.html?ref=todayspaper&amp;_r=0&quot;&gt;part of the problem facing this country)&lt;/a&gt;  means that maybe there is hope for us all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>velveeta chz comment, for real. I think that Logan had more empathy even for a second for a human being rather than a huge cooperation (I&#8217;m not saying Starbucks is evil, but I&#8217;m fairly sure they may still be  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/krugman-brewing-up-confusion.html?ref=todayspaper&#038;_r=0">part of the problem facing this country)</a>  means that maybe there is hope for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 02:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. I probably just wouldn&#039;t really know what to do. I have a pretty big &quot;stealing is wrong&quot; thing, and even though starbucks is a corporation, the theft hurts people that have a stake in the corporation. 

Although, if this was my favorite mom and pop place where I learned to smoke cloves and read dark books while drinking black coffee, I&#039;d probably tell the guy to hit the bricks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. I probably just wouldn&#8217;t really know what to do. I have a pretty big &#8220;stealing is wrong&#8221; thing, and even though starbucks is a corporation, the theft hurts people that have a stake in the corporation. </p>
<p>Although, if this was my favorite mom and pop place where I learned to smoke cloves and read dark books while drinking black coffee, I&#8217;d probably tell the guy to hit the bricks.</p>
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		<title>By: tuntastic</title>
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		<dc:creator>tuntastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miiiiiiike. Mike. Stoppit. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miiiiiiike. Mike. Stoppit.</p>
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