Comments on: ‘I’m Outraged About the Cultural Disease That Spawned This Tweet’ http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/ Everything About Money You Were Too Polite To Ask Thu, 23 May 2013 21:14:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: stuffisthings http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36821 stuffisthings Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:27:49 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36821 @sintaxis I just find your position perplexing. It seems to me that diversity is both a desired end result AND a way of getting there. Like, say Congress was suddenly 50% women. Would it automatically be "less misogynistic"? Probably not. Maybe a lot of those women come from Tea Party districts and would try to pass restrictive anti-abortion laws. But at that point is it Congress as an institution that is misogynistic, or are the Tea Party women representatives simply reflective of endemic misogyny within their districts? I mean I do get what you're saying but it does seem unnecessarily inflammatory and dismissive of the whole concept (esp. your initial comment). Like, "phhpp, diversity, what's that ever done for anybody?" Case in point: I think we can all agree that the US military is a quintessentially reactionary, conservative organization. But where would the Civil Rights movement be without the experiences of black soldiers from the Civil War, WWI, and WWII? @sintaxis I just find your position perplexing. It seems to me that diversity is both a desired end result AND a way of getting there. Like, say Congress was suddenly 50% women. Would it automatically be “less misogynistic”? Probably not. Maybe a lot of those women come from Tea Party districts and would try to pass restrictive anti-abortion laws. But at that point is it Congress as an institution that is misogynistic, or are the Tea Party women representatives simply reflective of endemic misogyny within their districts?

I mean I do get what you’re saying but it does seem unnecessarily inflammatory and dismissive of the whole concept (esp. your initial comment). Like, “phhpp, diversity, what’s that ever done for anybody?”

Case in point: I think we can all agree that the US military is a quintessentially reactionary, conservative organization. But where would the Civil Rights movement be without the experiences of black soldiers from the Civil War, WWI, and WWII?

]]> By: sintaxis http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36813 sintaxis Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:13:42 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36813 @stuffisthings That's a willful misreading of my comment, and honestly it feels like you are being rude to me because of our past ideological differences...? I'm trying to be friendly, and maybe I'm misreading your tone, but I don't want to engage when you purposely misconstrue what I said to be some sort of inflammatory anti-diversity tirade, which it's clearly not. @stuffisthings That’s a willful misreading of my comment, and honestly it feels like you are being rude to me because of our past ideological differences…? I’m trying to be friendly, and maybe I’m misreading your tone, but I don’t want to engage when you purposely misconstrue what I said to be some sort of inflammatory anti-diversity tirade, which it’s clearly not.

]]> By: stuffisthings http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36800 stuffisthings Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:46:00 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36800 @sintaxis Wait so greater diversity in positions of power is incidental to dismantling racism and sexism, but *hate speech laws* are an example of the kind of deep institutional change we need? So basically we should be more like France, which has fewer women in parliament than Afghanistan but where you can be fined 500 euros for saying antisemitic stuff in public? I guess I'll stick with the individualized reactionary solution then? @sintaxis Wait so greater diversity in positions of power is incidental to dismantling racism and sexism, but *hate speech laws* are an example of the kind of deep institutional change we need? So basically we should be more like France, which has fewer women in parliament than Afghanistan but where you can be fined 500 euros for saying antisemitic stuff in public?

I guess I’ll stick with the individualized reactionary solution then?

]]> By: sintaxis http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36789 sintaxis Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:28:34 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36789 @EngNaturalBeauty@twitter I mean, you can agree with whoever you want, but that's actually my position...? haha. I was saying that diversity is awesome, it's a good individualized reactionary solution. BUT it does't answer underlying causes of these tweet. @stuffisthings I think I would be pretty happy if this whole thing spawned a discussion about hate speech laws and liability for promoting hate, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen :( @EngNaturalBeauty@twitter I mean, you can agree with whoever you want, but that’s actually my position…? haha. I was saying that diversity is awesome, it’s a good individualized reactionary solution. BUT it does’t answer underlying causes of these tweet.
@stuffisthings I think I would be pretty happy if this whole thing spawned a discussion about hate speech laws and liability for promoting hate, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen :(

]]> By: EngNaturalBeauty@twitter http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36732 EngNaturalBeauty@twitter Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:25:47 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36732 @sintaxis I agree with stuffisthings, its doesn't answer the underlying causes, but it does help. In the sense that you might not reach everyone, but you might change one or two minds and that's always a good thing. @sintaxis I agree with stuffisthings, its doesn’t answer the underlying causes, but it does help. In the sense that you might not reach everyone, but you might change one or two minds and that’s always a good thing.

]]> By: stuffisthings http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36676 stuffisthings Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:45:44 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36676 @sintaxis So what would the institutional solution look like, exactly?Obviously having more diversity doesn't INSTANTLY solve these problems but surely it moves things in the right direction? @sintaxis So what would the institutional solution look like, exactly?Obviously having more diversity doesn’t INSTANTLY solve these problems but surely it moves things in the right direction?

]]> By: sintaxis http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36672 sintaxis Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:09:49 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36672 @stuffisthings No I mean it in a very literal way. There are plenty of examples of diverse places and institutions where sexism and racism and classism run rampant. I'm not saying diversity is bad, or does not have positive outcomes. But it isn't an institutional solution. To use your example, I think money is not the answer to poverty. Capitalism creates and necessitates poverty of some for the benefit of others. @stuffisthings No I mean it in a very literal way. There are plenty of examples of diverse places and institutions where sexism and racism and classism run rampant. I’m not saying diversity is bad, or does not have positive outcomes. But it isn’t an institutional solution.

To use your example, I think money is not the answer to poverty. Capitalism creates and necessitates poverty of some for the benefit of others.

]]> By: chic noir http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36671 chic noir Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:09:10 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36671 @MaxBraverman - well in most societies, people have this thing about protecting young children from harm esp mean spirited adults. @MaxBraverman – well in most societies, people have this thing about protecting young children from harm esp mean spirited adults.

]]> By: chic noir http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36670 chic noir Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:06:49 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36670 Amen! I just want to say as a young Black woman, I am really saddened at the way some people are treating a nine year old prepubescent girl being called a "cunt". That little girl did nothing to deserve such disrespect. She is a girl for God's sake. Post racial society... Yea right. When Kayne West interrupted the young adult Taylor Swift, we saw the way he was treated by the mainstream media. Lets see if Quvenzhane Wallis is given the same treatment that Swift was given. Amen!

I just want to say as a young Black woman, I am really saddened at the way some people are treating a nine year old prepubescent girl being called a “cunt”. That little girl did nothing to deserve such disrespect. She is a girl for God’s sake. Post racial society… Yea right.

When Kayne West interrupted the young adult Taylor Swift, we saw the way he was treated by the mainstream media. Lets see if Quvenzhane Wallis is given the same treatment that Swift was given.

]]> By: stuffisthings http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/im-outraged-about-the-cultural-disease-that-spawned-this-tweet/#comment-36663 stuffisthings Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:55:11 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=24204#comment-36663 @sintaxis Kind of like how money is not the solution to poverty? I mean, you can say it's oversimplified, but ultimately it is. @sintaxis Kind of like how money is not the solution to poverty? I mean, you can say it’s oversimplified, but ultimately it is.

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