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		<title>By: TARDIStime</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/02/grandpa-is-honest-with-me-about-money-and-that-he-has-very-little/#comment-35674</link>
		<dc:creator>TARDIStime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 05:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stuffisthings This sounds VERY familiar. 
Up until very recently I was paying all of my mum&#039;s bills/rent. I stopped last year and then got a text from her last night that&#039;s she&#039;s well behind on her rent and one of her biggest clients (this guy is her bread and butter) doesn&#039;t need her this month like, at all. So not much coming in this month. 
As of this week I scale back to part-time work so I can also study for my BHSC - I can&#039;t help her. :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stuffisthings This sounds VERY familiar.<br />
Up until very recently I was paying all of my mum&#8217;s bills/rent. I stopped last year and then got a text from her last night that&#8217;s she&#8217;s well behind on her rent and one of her biggest clients (this guy is her bread and butter) doesn&#8217;t need her this month like, at all. So not much coming in this month.<br />
As of this week I scale back to part-time work so I can also study for my BHSC &#8211; I can&#8217;t help her. :S</p>
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		<title>By: levangieg</title>
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		<dc:creator>levangieg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was such a sweet and loving article, but I wonder how your grandfather would feel if he knew that his photo and your real name were appearing next to an article about his dwindling bank account?  If he&#039;s trying to keep your grandmother from finding out, surely this is something that might blow his cover?  For example, they probably proudly tell their friends that you&#039;re a writer - even if your grandparents don&#039;t google your articles, their friends might, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was such a sweet and loving article, but I wonder how your grandfather would feel if he knew that his photo and your real name were appearing next to an article about his dwindling bank account?  If he&#8217;s trying to keep your grandmother from finding out, surely this is something that might blow his cover?  For example, they probably proudly tell their friends that you&#8217;re a writer &#8211; even if your grandparents don&#8217;t google your articles, their friends might, right?</p>
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		<title>By: BillFolgers</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillFolgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 03:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By tricky, I meant your grandfather (who is obviously very proud) might not want to declare bankruptcy. But if you could explain to him that Trump has declared bankruptcy, and that he&#039;s not the only one....!

Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Henry Ford
Walt Disney
Milton Hershey (of Hershey&#039;s chocolates) 
Burt Reynolds
Wolfgang Amadeus 
Mark Twain
Wayne Newton (OMG How RICH is that dude, now? So rich thanks Las Vegas! google says $100 Million)
Stan Lee 

and a ton of others.....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By tricky, I meant your grandfather (who is obviously very proud) might not want to declare bankruptcy. But if you could explain to him that Trump has declared bankruptcy, and that he&#8217;s not the only one&#8230;.!</p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln<br />
Thomas Jefferson<br />
Henry Ford<br />
Walt Disney<br />
Milton Hershey (of Hershey&#8217;s chocolates)<br />
Burt Reynolds<br />
Wolfgang Amadeus<br />
Mark Twain<br />
Wayne Newton (OMG How RICH is that dude, now? So rich thanks Las Vegas! google says $100 Million)<br />
Stan Lee </p>
<p>and a ton of others&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: BillFolgers</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillFolgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 02:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like this looks like a bankruptcy situation. Any financially literate people out there that could confirm this?

If Trump, (and many many other people) can claim bankruptcy and continue on, your grandfather should consider it if it is equally appropriate for his situation.

I don&#039;t know exactly how these things work (at all), but my wild guess would say that your grandfather might be able to create a trust, and then file for bankruptcy. This requires planning, and the help of a financial planner, I would think (if it is even possible).

Since a majority of these bills were incurred due to medical bills, this seems to me a logical course of action (assuming it is legal &amp; legit). Morally, I would find this unobjectionable (although goodness knows, money and morals do not always walk hand-in-glove), I mean it&#039;s not like your grandparents drank and gambled themselves into financial peril, and should have to suffer the consequences. I don&#039;t think the intent of our financial system is to impoverish people. Although that has too often been the way our healthcare system works.

Still though, &quot;sheltering money&quot; is a whole huge industry. There&#039;s no reason that I can see that it should apply exclusively to the rich (ie. those who hire professionals skilled in this area of expertise). 

There are definite senior citizen considerations - I know, for one, that medicaid (not medicare) has a look-back period, and I don&#039;t know how that will (or will not) change under the new healthcare. 

But my point here is that people with resources hire other people to make the most financially sound decisions, and those people they hire are very knowledgeable about how to protect wealth. I would look into what can be done at this point to maximize your grandparents situation financially. Spending what remaining recources they have left down doesn&#039;t seem to me like the wisest (or only) course of action. It&#039;s good to pay your bills, but if you (at some near future point) aren&#039;t going to pay your bills anyway, you&#039;re still ultimately not paying your bills. Sometimes you can&#039;t. That&#039;s what bankruptcy is for, that the sole reason why it exists. 

I know these things are really tricky, but I&#039;d at least talk to someone, or ask around to see if I could get any information.

From the web:

&quot;A major reason to delay a bankruptcy filing is that it might affect certain property or asset transfers you make, and so it may affect your overall case. For instance, if you transfer property and then, soon after, file for bankruptcy, a bankruptcy trustee can set aside or void these transfers. The amount of time that passed after transferring property is important!

The trustee can set aside or void the following transfers if you file too soon:

You intentionally transferred, destroyed or mutilated property within one year of the filing to defraud or cheat your creditors
You made payments to some creditors but not to others within a prescribed time period
You fraudulently transferred property within two years of the bankruptcy filing
You purchased luxury goods and services within 90 days of filing for bankruptcy
When a transfer is set aside, the trustee may take the property back or demand payment for its value from the person you transferred it to. The property or money then can be used to pay off your creditors.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like this looks like a bankruptcy situation. Any financially literate people out there that could confirm this?</p>
<p>If Trump, (and many many other people) can claim bankruptcy and continue on, your grandfather should consider it if it is equally appropriate for his situation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly how these things work (at all), but my wild guess would say that your grandfather might be able to create a trust, and then file for bankruptcy. This requires planning, and the help of a financial planner, I would think (if it is even possible).</p>
<p>Since a majority of these bills were incurred due to medical bills, this seems to me a logical course of action (assuming it is legal &#038; legit). Morally, I would find this unobjectionable (although goodness knows, money and morals do not always walk hand-in-glove), I mean it&#8217;s not like your grandparents drank and gambled themselves into financial peril, and should have to suffer the consequences. I don&#8217;t think the intent of our financial system is to impoverish people. Although that has too often been the way our healthcare system works.</p>
<p>Still though, &#8220;sheltering money&#8221; is a whole huge industry. There&#8217;s no reason that I can see that it should apply exclusively to the rich (ie. those who hire professionals skilled in this area of expertise). </p>
<p>There are definite senior citizen considerations &#8211; I know, for one, that medicaid (not medicare) has a look-back period, and I don&#8217;t know how that will (or will not) change under the new healthcare. </p>
<p>But my point here is that people with resources hire other people to make the most financially sound decisions, and those people they hire are very knowledgeable about how to protect wealth. I would look into what can be done at this point to maximize your grandparents situation financially. Spending what remaining recources they have left down doesn&#8217;t seem to me like the wisest (or only) course of action. It&#8217;s good to pay your bills, but if you (at some near future point) aren&#8217;t going to pay your bills anyway, you&#8217;re still ultimately not paying your bills. Sometimes you can&#8217;t. That&#8217;s what bankruptcy is for, that the sole reason why it exists. </p>
<p>I know these things are really tricky, but I&#8217;d at least talk to someone, or ask around to see if I could get any information.</p>
<p>From the web:</p>
<p>&#8220;A major reason to delay a bankruptcy filing is that it might affect certain property or asset transfers you make, and so it may affect your overall case. For instance, if you transfer property and then, soon after, file for bankruptcy, a bankruptcy trustee can set aside or void these transfers. The amount of time that passed after transferring property is important!</p>
<p>The trustee can set aside or void the following transfers if you file too soon:</p>
<p>You intentionally transferred, destroyed or mutilated property within one year of the filing to defraud or cheat your creditors<br />
You made payments to some creditors but not to others within a prescribed time period<br />
You fraudulently transferred property within two years of the bankruptcy filing<br />
You purchased luxury goods and services within 90 days of filing for bankruptcy<br />
When a transfer is set aside, the trustee may take the property back or demand payment for its value from the person you transferred it to. The property or money then can be used to pay off your creditors.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shoot There is a benefit called the Aid and Attendance pension for veterans and spouses who need long term care.  You don&#039;t have to be receiving care from a VA hospital in order to get it - as I understand it, it can be applied to charges from any assisted living facility, and can also act as a kind of supplemental income for elderly, low income veterans.  

You can read more about it here: http://benefits.va.gov/pension/  

This piece was wonderful, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shoot There is a benefit called the Aid and Attendance pension for veterans and spouses who need long term care.  You don&#8217;t have to be receiving care from a VA hospital in order to get it &#8211; as I understand it, it can be applied to charges from any assisted living facility, and can also act as a kind of supplemental income for elderly, low income veterans.  </p>
<p>You can read more about it here: <a href="http://benefits.va.gov/pension/" rel="nofollow">http://benefits.va.gov/pension/</a>  </p>
<p>This piece was wonderful, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackAndBlueMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackAndBlueMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 03:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, both of my mother&#039;s parents died years before I was born, but my paternal grandparents played a big role in my early life. Nanny died when I was 17; a few years later, Pa (a World War Two veteran who at one time had worked four jobs to support his family) had a massive stroke that he survived but very cruelly left him severely disabled for the last seven years of his life.

This was a great article that brought back many fond memories of two people who I wish were still here. Thank you very much for writing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, both of my mother&#8217;s parents died years before I was born, but my paternal grandparents played a big role in my early life. Nanny died when I was 17; a few years later, Pa (a World War Two veteran who at one time had worked four jobs to support his family) had a massive stroke that he survived but very cruelly left him severely disabled for the last seven years of his life.</p>
<p>This was a great article that brought back many fond memories of two people who I wish were still here. Thank you very much for writing this.</p>
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		<title>By: darcy elliott@twitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>darcy elliott@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops I meant Veteran NOT veteren!
Anyway
@ shoot
here is a times article explaining that few seniors know that they are eligible
http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/few-know-of-benefit-to-help-aging-veterans/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops I meant Veteran NOT veteren!<br />
Anyway<br />
@ shoot<br />
here is a times article explaining that few seniors know that they are eligible<br />
<a href="http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/few-know-of-benefit-to-help-aging-veterans/" rel="nofollow">http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/few-know-of-benefit-to-help-aging-veterans/</a></p>
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		<title>By: darcy elliott@twitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>darcy elliott@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ shoot - Check out the VA for assisted living help-
My mom was the widow of a veteren and there was a program that was available that gave financial assistance for assisted living- I never got to fully investigate it because my mom passed so quickly. My heartfelt advice to you is to see if you can investigate their Medicare benefts - it is very overwhelming and confusing for seniors- and often benefits are left on the table. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ shoot &#8211; Check out the VA for assisted living help-<br />
My mom was the widow of a veteren and there was a program that was available that gave financial assistance for assisted living- I never got to fully investigate it because my mom passed so quickly. My heartfelt advice to you is to see if you can investigate their Medicare benefts &#8211; it is very overwhelming and confusing for seniors- and often benefits are left on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: chic noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>chic noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG this was so sweet. Like I really teared up reading it. It &#039;s pretty obvious you love your Pop-Pop and he loves you very much.

 Have you and your parents made any plans about what you are going to do to support your grand parents after they run out of money?

* Goes to dry eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG this was so sweet. Like I really teared up reading it. It &#8216;s pretty obvious you love your Pop-Pop and he loves you very much.</p>
<p> Have you and your parents made any plans about what you are going to do to support your grand parents after they run out of money?</p>
<p>* Goes to dry eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: margaretcatwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>margaretcatwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, this is lovely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, this is lovely.</p>
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