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		<title>By: blueblazes</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31614</link>
		<dc:creator>blueblazes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eternaloctopus I&#039;m right there with you. I remember dreading cookie season each year because I HATED going door to door and talking to strangers and asking for money. Still do, which is why I am a writer and not in retail.I always get that &quot;this is cheating&quot; vibe when parents do the shilling for the kids, but the truth is that I wish my parents had done it for me. And it&#039;s not like I am going to Not Eat Thin Mints just because people aren&#039;t forcing their kids to sell them to me directly. Some painfully shy child will thank you in years to come for buying from her parents and saving her from the panic attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eternaloctopus I&#8217;m right there with you. I remember dreading cookie season each year because I HATED going door to door and talking to strangers and asking for money. Still do, which is why I am a writer and not in retail.I always get that &#8220;this is cheating&#8221; vibe when parents do the shilling for the kids, but the truth is that I wish my parents had done it for me. And it&#8217;s not like I am going to Not Eat Thin Mints just because people aren&#8217;t forcing their kids to sell them to me directly. Some painfully shy child will thank you in years to come for buying from her parents and saving her from the panic attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Rowan</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31546</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TARDIStime As noted, I took out a crapload of loans, and also worked part-time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TARDIStime As noted, I took out a crapload of loans, and also worked part-time.</p>
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		<title>By: aetataureate</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31511</link>
		<dc:creator>aetataureate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anamnesisExegesis1 Whoa whoa whoa. I assumed you&#039;d be making this proposal by other avenues too, and the advice is strictly constructive. You didn&#039;t give a general explanation of what your idea is, any of the ballpark of what the other person is expected to do, etc. It&#039;s certainly not about your spirit or expression or whatever. You have to say what you want or people won&#039;t know what you want. Never said you were unprofessional, merely prompted you for clarity of language and message. I&#039;m sorry you hate cover letters, which are the closest professional-world analogs to persuasive essays. If those things are the enemy, though, then anyone who&#039;s discouraged by my comments probably isn&#039;t your speed anyway. No harm no foul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anamnesisExegesis1 Whoa whoa whoa. I assumed you&#8217;d be making this proposal by other avenues too, and the advice is strictly constructive. You didn&#8217;t give a general explanation of what your idea is, any of the ballpark of what the other person is expected to do, etc. It&#8217;s certainly not about your spirit or expression or whatever. You have to say what you want or people won&#8217;t know what you want. Never said you were unprofessional, merely prompted you for clarity of language and message. I&#8217;m sorry you hate cover letters, which are the closest professional-world analogs to persuasive essays. If those things are the enemy, though, then anyone who&#8217;s discouraged by my comments probably isn&#8217;t your speed anyway. No harm no foul.</p>
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		<title>By: anamnesisExegesis1</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31508</link>
		<dc:creator>anamnesisExegesis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anamnesisExegesis 

I was hoping that I could &quot;be sincere&quot; (rather than &quot;highly constructed&quot;) and that would hit a note with someone. 

If I tore out my soul, I could put in the effort to package this &quot;correctly&quot; in your view. You may have noticed.... there&#039;s tons of people who can do that? I can&#039;t count the number of people who I&#039;ve met who sell shitty products (software or otherwise), who know their products are crap, but who can word their crap in very pleasing saleable ways, and people will buys it (intentional sic). 

While I see (and I guess appreciate?) your point about shaping a message, I think in the larger context here you are not actually trying to be &quot;helpful&quot; so much as expressing a wee bit of contempt (do you feel better after getting that out of your system?). Cover letters are the bullshittiest things ever, and grammar vs. typo&#039;s are a pretty well-known phenomenon on the internet. 

As for clarity, that&#039;s all me. I am not known for my clarity but then again if you&#039;re willing to travel with me on a rambly journey then you will (I can almost guarantee) find the journey pretty cool. I&#039;ve got a great compass! (If not the most wonderful way with words....) 

Still though, by downing me with your &quot;helpful suggestion&quot; you tip the scales against someone responding who might have. That kind of critique, in context, is not anything more than you expressing your displeasure at something that you view as substandard, and offends your sensibilities as such. Here&#039;s my critique back to you. Actually, never mind, I doubt you&#039;d hear it. Thanks for expressing yourself. Personally I would rather come across my honest if inept expression, than your &quot;correct&quot; but more wronger one. It&#039;s just more interesting, even if there are a few errors in grammar. I kind of put myself out there, and I was embarrassed but risked it. Thanks for shooting me down! Or maybe you&#039;re offering your services (or can point me to someone) who can &quot;craft&quot; my message? And I&#039;ve totally misunderstood you and you are really a super supportive person? Your message sounded bitchy and not nurturing is what I&#039;m saying. Which really isn&#039;t the message you probably want to put out there. I&#039;d rather be a hot mess full of interesting ideas than a bitchy critique of others&#039; maybe enfeebled efforts to engage with a world that&#039;s basically pretty corrupt and founded on unsustainable practices (practices that one wouldn&#039;t even want to sustain, that don&#039;t create a happy, serious, thoughtful, well constructed citizenry, no matter how &quot;professionally&quot; their propositions are worded.)

By writing your helpful comment you have pretty much guaranteed that any random weirdo who might have thought hey! I&#039;ll take a chance and reach out, will not do so because you&#039;ve branded me unprofessional. Which: obvs. Was it &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/&gt; so necessary to state the obvious? Maybe I&#039;m the weird creative type with a bangin idea who needs someone to help reign me in a bit? Oh why internet gods, did you send me this message? Forcing me to do this dry shit that I really cannot do? And no I&#039;m not whining! 

(sulk).

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<p>I was hoping that I could &#8220;be sincere&#8221; (rather than &#8220;highly constructed&#8221;) and that would hit a note with someone. </p>
<p>If I tore out my soul, I could put in the effort to package this &#8220;correctly&#8221; in your view. You may have noticed&#8230;. there&#8217;s tons of people who can do that? I can&#8217;t count the number of people who I&#8217;ve met who sell shitty products (software or otherwise), who know their products are crap, but who can word their crap in very pleasing saleable ways, and people will buys it (intentional sic). </p>
<p>While I see (and I guess appreciate?) your point about shaping a message, I think in the larger context here you are not actually trying to be &#8220;helpful&#8221; so much as expressing a wee bit of contempt (do you feel better after getting that out of your system?). Cover letters are the bullshittiest things ever, and grammar vs. typo&#8217;s are a pretty well-known phenomenon on the internet. </p>
<p>As for clarity, that&#8217;s all me. I am not known for my clarity but then again if you&#8217;re willing to travel with me on a rambly journey then you will (I can almost guarantee) find the journey pretty cool. I&#8217;ve got a great compass! (If not the most wonderful way with words&#8230;.) </p>
<p>Still though, by downing me with your &#8220;helpful suggestion&#8221; you tip the scales against someone responding who might have. That kind of critique, in context, is not anything more than you expressing your displeasure at something that you view as substandard, and offends your sensibilities as such. Here&#8217;s my critique back to you. Actually, never mind, I doubt you&#8217;d hear it. Thanks for expressing yourself. Personally I would rather come across my honest if inept expression, than your &#8220;correct&#8221; but more wronger one. It&#8217;s just more interesting, even if there are a few errors in grammar. I kind of put myself out there, and I was embarrassed but risked it. Thanks for shooting me down! Or maybe you&#8217;re offering your services (or can point me to someone) who can &#8220;craft&#8221; my message? And I&#8217;ve totally misunderstood you and you are really a super supportive person? Your message sounded bitchy and not nurturing is what I&#8217;m saying. Which really isn&#8217;t the message you probably want to put out there. I&#8217;d rather be a hot mess full of interesting ideas than a bitchy critique of others&#8217; maybe enfeebled efforts to engage with a world that&#8217;s basically pretty corrupt and founded on unsustainable practices (practices that one wouldn&#8217;t even want to sustain, that don&#8217;t create a happy, serious, thoughtful, well constructed citizenry, no matter how &#8220;professionally&#8221; their propositions are worded.)</p>
<p>By writing your helpful comment you have pretty much guaranteed that any random weirdo who might have thought hey! I&#8217;ll take a chance and reach out, will not do so because you&#8217;ve branded me unprofessional. Which: obvs. Was it <i>really so necessary to state the obvious? Maybe I&#8217;m the weird creative type with a bangin idea who needs someone to help reign me in a bit? Oh why internet gods, did you send me this message? Forcing me to do this dry shit that I really cannot do? And no I&#8217;m not whining! </p>
<p>(sulk).</i></p>
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		<title>By: BornSecular</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31505</link>
		<dc:creator>BornSecular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@backstagebethy Success! Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: TARDIStime</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31504</link>
		<dc:creator>TARDIStime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@everyone Thanks!
How did you pay your bills while studying? 
I don&#039;t have the option of parental help or student welfare (I checked and I don&#039;t qualify for student welfare because Mr TARDIStime makes too much money [&quot;too much money&quot; being minimum wage for one person - so not sure how that money&#039;s going to stretch to two]). 
Really appreciating the input!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@everyone Thanks!<br />
How did you pay your bills while studying?<br />
I don&#8217;t have the option of parental help or student welfare (I checked and I don&#8217;t qualify for student welfare because Mr TARDIStime makes too much money ["too much money" being minimum wage for one person - so not sure how that money's going to stretch to two]).<br />
Really appreciating the input!</p>
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		<title>By: backstagebethy</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31496</link>
		<dc:creator>backstagebethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BornSecular At the bottom of the comment box there&#039;s a &quot;Settings&quot; link, you can change it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BornSecular At the bottom of the comment box there&#8217;s a &#8220;Settings&#8221; link, you can change it there.</p>
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		<title>By: Derbel McDillet</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31495</link>
		<dc:creator>Derbel McDillet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TARDIStime When I went back to grad school, I was able to get a part time position with the company I had been working for full time. A semester in, I landed an assistantship and quit the part time job. Now I&#039;m graduating in May and wondering if I should have stuck with the part time job since it was at least tangentially in my field, even though I would have needed to borrow more money without the assistantship tuition waiver. Oh, hindsight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TARDIStime When I went back to grad school, I was able to get a part time position with the company I had been working for full time. A semester in, I landed an assistantship and quit the part time job. Now I&#8217;m graduating in May and wondering if I should have stuck with the part time job since it was at least tangentially in my field, even though I would have needed to borrow more money without the assistantship tuition waiver. Oh, hindsight!</p>
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		<title>By: BornSecular</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31492</link>
		<dc:creator>BornSecular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m late to this party again, but I need to know: how do I change my avatar on this site??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m late to this party again, but I need to know: how do I change my avatar on this site??</p>
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		<title>By: aetataureate</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/open-thread-2/#comment-31491</link>
		<dc:creator>aetataureate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anamnesisExegesis It seems like low-hanging fruit, but if you&#039;re seriously looking to find partners (or investors or job opportunities or &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt;, really), I would demonstrate that by writing a serious, thoughtful, well constructed proposition. It shouldn&#039;t be far from a cover letter in terms of grammar and clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anamnesisExegesis It seems like low-hanging fruit, but if you&#8217;re seriously looking to find partners (or investors or job opportunities or <em>anything</em>, really), I would demonstrate that by writing a serious, thoughtful, well constructed proposition. It shouldn&#8217;t be far from a cover letter in terms of grammar and clarity.</p>
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