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		<title>By: Sarah Rain@facebook</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Rain@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Latoya Peterson@twitter I know a number of single moms on government aid, and none of them have ever had the money to pay for a rental car or hotel room themself. Sure, I find credit cards make my life a lot easier, but their main potential for low-income people is to make their live HARDER when they have to pay the bills or run from creditors. Considering them an important stepping stone is middle-class folly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Latoya Peterson@twitter I know a number of single moms on government aid, and none of them have ever had the money to pay for a rental car or hotel room themself. Sure, I find credit cards make my life a lot easier, but their main potential for low-income people is to make their live HARDER when they have to pay the bills or run from creditors. Considering them an important stepping stone is middle-class folly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Blackwell@facebook</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Blackwell@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skeptic, apparently you&#039;ve been astounded by Ayn Rand.

The financial industry is about 8.4% of the U.S. economy, generating 30% of all U.S GDP. (In 1950 it was less than 3% of GDP.)

The purpose of this industry is to move money from little people to big people. They produce nothing, and yet they are among the most profitable companies in the world. Their employees make up a large percentage of the 1% of Americans who have realized 93% of the income growth since the Great Financial Crisis (which, by the way, they created by pumping up the real estate market and selling inflated shares to the unsuspecting.)

Every financial transaction we make is skimmed by this industry. Every credit card or debit card transaction, every check you write, every ATM transaction, every mortgage payment, every paycheck or dividend you receive – they get “their share”. 

The best stocks to own? Financials.

Most Americans’ involvement in the financial industry consists of constantly paying exorbitant &quot;fees&quot; to access their own money.

A small percentage of Americans (whom you clearly strive to be among, but realistically will never be) receive &quot;inside&quot; information and place their bets knowing precisely where the “equity” wheel will stop. 

They also own the legislature, which passes laws that allow them to realize most of the profits from their endeavors tax-free through tax “relief” and outright subsidies - paid from our taxes. And the risk? Well, the actual cost of bailing out the financial industry has never been made public, but there are numbers floating around that have 12 zeros.

Where do companies “get the capital necessary to start up factories and stores that then employ workers?” From the bankers, who skim it 2 dollars at a time from their “customers”.

What Sam’s employer is attempting to do is to help their clients navigate through the shark-infested waters of the American economy while losing less than a pound of their flesh. The reason for teaching someone to use a credit card is to qualify them  to avoid being outright robbed by “payday” lenders and the other bottom-feeders of our system.

And, skeptic, as I’m sure you know, corporations are not formed for the purpose of employing people. If a corporation could produce a profit with zero employees, it would be obligated by its shareholders to do so. What’s your job?

When they eliminate it - then you will know what astounding is.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skeptic, apparently you&#8217;ve been astounded by Ayn Rand.</p>
<p>The financial industry is about 8.4% of the U.S. economy, generating 30% of all U.S GDP. (In 1950 it was less than 3% of GDP.)</p>
<p>The purpose of this industry is to move money from little people to big people. They produce nothing, and yet they are among the most profitable companies in the world. Their employees make up a large percentage of the 1% of Americans who have realized 93% of the income growth since the Great Financial Crisis (which, by the way, they created by pumping up the real estate market and selling inflated shares to the unsuspecting.)</p>
<p>Every financial transaction we make is skimmed by this industry. Every credit card or debit card transaction, every check you write, every ATM transaction, every mortgage payment, every paycheck or dividend you receive – they get “their share”. </p>
<p>The best stocks to own? Financials.</p>
<p>Most Americans’ involvement in the financial industry consists of constantly paying exorbitant &#8220;fees&#8221; to access their own money.</p>
<p>A small percentage of Americans (whom you clearly strive to be among, but realistically will never be) receive &#8220;inside&#8221; information and place their bets knowing precisely where the “equity” wheel will stop. </p>
<p>They also own the legislature, which passes laws that allow them to realize most of the profits from their endeavors tax-free through tax “relief” and outright subsidies &#8211; paid from our taxes. And the risk? Well, the actual cost of bailing out the financial industry has never been made public, but there are numbers floating around that have 12 zeros.</p>
<p>Where do companies “get the capital necessary to start up factories and stores that then employ workers?” From the bankers, who skim it 2 dollars at a time from their “customers”.</p>
<p>What Sam’s employer is attempting to do is to help their clients navigate through the shark-infested waters of the American economy while losing less than a pound of their flesh. The reason for teaching someone to use a credit card is to qualify them  to avoid being outright robbed by “payday” lenders and the other bottom-feeders of our system.</p>
<p>And, skeptic, as I’m sure you know, corporations are not formed for the purpose of employing people. If a corporation could produce a profit with zero employees, it would be obligated by its shareholders to do so. What’s your job?</p>
<p>When they eliminate it &#8211; then you will know what astounding is.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29381</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ignorance is pretty astounding.  A share of stock gets you (roughly):
-participation in future price appreciation/depreciation
-dividend income (if applicable) and,
-one vote on governance issues

Also, the investment economy has nothing to do with siphoning wealth.  How do you think companies get the capital necessary to start up factories and stores that then employ workers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ignorance is pretty astounding.  A share of stock gets you (roughly):<br />
-participation in future price appreciation/depreciation<br />
-dividend income (if applicable) and,<br />
-one vote on governance issues</p>
<p>Also, the investment economy has nothing to do with siphoning wealth.  How do you think companies get the capital necessary to start up factories and stores that then employ workers?</p>
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		<title>By: Latoya Peterson@twitter</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29335</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah Rain@facebook I rented a car over Christmas break and stood next to a woman who was asked for pay stubs, a utility bill, a few extra forms and an additional $250 deposit because she was using a debit card and not a credit card.  If you want to rent a hotel room, and you use a debit card, most places will charge you for your entire stay up front, plus taxes and whatever they fell like charging for incidentals, as well as a deposit. Credit cards are a vital tool in making your life easier, and generally have to be dealt with at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah Rain@facebook I rented a car over Christmas break and stood next to a woman who was asked for pay stubs, a utility bill, a few extra forms and an additional $250 deposit because she was using a debit card and not a credit card.  If you want to rent a hotel room, and you use a debit card, most places will charge you for your entire stay up front, plus taxes and whatever they fell like charging for incidentals, as well as a deposit. Credit cards are a vital tool in making your life easier, and generally have to be dealt with at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Latoya Peterson@twitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latoya Peterson@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@josiahg Generally speaking, no.  But first, understand that the concept of credit card assumes some kind of credit history, or one that hasn&#039;t been destroyed for you before you come of age.  Secondly, I&#039;m going to separate actual credit cards from pre-paid credit cards (like the Kardashian Card, the Rush Card, etc).   

If you can get a card with an actual line of credit, and you are poor, it generally comes with fees - annual fees, one time activation fee, etc.  Some cards charge you for things like credit line increases. Most cards will have an extremely low limit - $250 or $500 at max.  Cash back rewards and the like don&#039;t come into play until your credit improves.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@josiahg Generally speaking, no.  But first, understand that the concept of credit card assumes some kind of credit history, or one that hasn&#8217;t been destroyed for you before you come of age.  Secondly, I&#8217;m going to separate actual credit cards from pre-paid credit cards (like the Kardashian Card, the Rush Card, etc).   </p>
<p>If you can get a card with an actual line of credit, and you are poor, it generally comes with fees &#8211; annual fees, one time activation fee, etc.  Some cards charge you for things like credit line increases. Most cards will have an extremely low limit &#8211; $250 or $500 at max.  Cash back rewards and the like don&#8217;t come into play until your credit improves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Blackwell@facebook</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29331</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Blackwell@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 05:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept of buying stock in a company, in the sense that you are supplying capital that allows the company to buy land, build plants, hire workers, pay them living wages, provide them with health care and a pension* (* look it up), and return a profit to shareholders all makes perfect sense. This is the ideal version of capitalism.

But Sam is right, your invested dollar now goes to a &quot;bank&quot; that makes its money solely by moving money, and scraping a percentage of your money off the top.

Most corporations don&#039;t actually make products. They make money by moving money or reselling products (actual, physical things) made by other corporations (people, mainly overseas, who earn cents a day), and avoiding U.S. taxes.

Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders. Fine. But they do NOT have the right to run our economy and our government. They are NOT citizens, and they should not be allowed to control the media and to buy representation in our government.

I own stock in various corporations via mutual funds. I have bought into these funds because it is the only way I can attempt to accumulate enough money to survive when I am too old to provide a profit to an employer (corporation).

I do own stock in Ford Motor Company because my father worked there for more than 50 years, and Ford builds automobiles here in the U.S. and around the world for people to get from home to work and school and to babysit their sister’s children.

I am not an opponent of capitalism, but we (those of us who were not born with capital) need a government that protects us from those who were born into wealth and power, lest they again enslave us all in the name of maximizing return to shareholders. Read our history. We&#039;ve been here before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of buying stock in a company, in the sense that you are supplying capital that allows the company to buy land, build plants, hire workers, pay them living wages, provide them with health care and a pension* (* look it up), and return a profit to shareholders all makes perfect sense. This is the ideal version of capitalism.</p>
<p>But Sam is right, your invested dollar now goes to a &#8220;bank&#8221; that makes its money solely by moving money, and scraping a percentage of your money off the top.</p>
<p>Most corporations don&#8217;t actually make products. They make money by moving money or reselling products (actual, physical things) made by other corporations (people, mainly overseas, who earn cents a day), and avoiding U.S. taxes.</p>
<p>Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders. Fine. But they do NOT have the right to run our economy and our government. They are NOT citizens, and they should not be allowed to control the media and to buy representation in our government.</p>
<p>I own stock in various corporations via mutual funds. I have bought into these funds because it is the only way I can attempt to accumulate enough money to survive when I am too old to provide a profit to an employer (corporation).</p>
<p>I do own stock in Ford Motor Company because my father worked there for more than 50 years, and Ford builds automobiles here in the U.S. and around the world for people to get from home to work and school and to babysit their sister’s children.</p>
<p>I am not an opponent of capitalism, but we (those of us who were not born with capital) need a government that protects us from those who were born into wealth and power, lest they again enslave us all in the name of maximizing return to shareholders. Read our history. We&#8217;ve been here before.</p>
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		<title>By: josiahg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the credit cards available to poor people offer cash back rewards? Now that I ask, I have to imagine that the answer is no, but, if they did, that would be a pretty good incentive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the credit cards available to poor people offer cash back rewards? Now that I ask, I have to imagine that the answer is no, but, if they did, that would be a pretty good incentive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rain@facebook</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29212</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Rain@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 01:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are purportedly charitable programs out there that encourage women on welfare to get credit cards? What is wrong with America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are purportedly charitable programs out there that encourage women on welfare to get credit cards? What is wrong with America?</p>
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		<title>By: Markham</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2013/01/five-incidents-of-tuning-in-to-money/#comment-29200</link>
		<dc:creator>Markham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear people my age (mid 30s) saying similar things as the Author about stock ownership and it worries me, when I hear people in their 20s say it, it REALLY worries me. 

When you buy a stock you&#039;re just investing in a company, if your stock generates a return it&#039;s due to your share of ownership in the company&#039;s success. It&#039;s not really about banks per se, unless you buy a bank stock, nor are you siphoning wealth from average people; that&#039;s just not how the market works. 

If a stock goes up it&#039;s because there is a demand for it based on the company&#039;s success, so rich people, institutional investors, other companies, pension funds, 401ks, IRAs, et, al are trying to buy it. No money is coming out of average Joe&#039;s pocket, it&#039;s probably some rich guy who buys the stock you sell, OR you get dividends and you&#039;re getting cash direct from the company&#039;s profits. 

Not to mention the fact that any average person with a 401k or IRA is invested in the market. 

Some companies do terrible things, the markets can be manipulated, but that&#039;s a function of bad people, not the market in of itself. Investing is a good thing, it&#039;s the reason we&#039;re having this discussion because investors invested in the tech companies that created the computers, servers, networks, et, al that make this site possible.

So why being down on investing worries me, is because it makes me wonder if we&#039;ll have a cadre of young people who don&#039;t save and invest and then have nothing for retirement. 

Very concerning. 

I just got back from the US after traveling around Asia, and I think it was in Hong Kong where I read a news headline that said that people in their 20s want to become millionaires, but they don&#039;t want to save or invest to get there. 

Terrifying. 





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear people my age (mid 30s) saying similar things as the Author about stock ownership and it worries me, when I hear people in their 20s say it, it REALLY worries me. </p>
<p>When you buy a stock you&#8217;re just investing in a company, if your stock generates a return it&#8217;s due to your share of ownership in the company&#8217;s success. It&#8217;s not really about banks per se, unless you buy a bank stock, nor are you siphoning wealth from average people; that&#8217;s just not how the market works. </p>
<p>If a stock goes up it&#8217;s because there is a demand for it based on the company&#8217;s success, so rich people, institutional investors, other companies, pension funds, 401ks, IRAs, et, al are trying to buy it. No money is coming out of average Joe&#8217;s pocket, it&#8217;s probably some rich guy who buys the stock you sell, OR you get dividends and you&#8217;re getting cash direct from the company&#8217;s profits. </p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that any average person with a 401k or IRA is invested in the market. </p>
<p>Some companies do terrible things, the markets can be manipulated, but that&#8217;s a function of bad people, not the market in of itself. Investing is a good thing, it&#8217;s the reason we&#8217;re having this discussion because investors invested in the tech companies that created the computers, servers, networks, et, al that make this site possible.</p>
<p>So why being down on investing worries me, is because it makes me wonder if we&#8217;ll have a cadre of young people who don&#8217;t save and invest and then have nothing for retirement. </p>
<p>Very concerning. </p>
<p>I just got back from the US after traveling around Asia, and I think it was in Hong Kong where I read a news headline that said that people in their 20s want to become millionaires, but they don&#8217;t want to save or invest to get there. </p>
<p>Terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: langedangereux</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the exception of the stocks part, this sounds a lot like my AmeriCorps term. I remember the time the back end of my car fell apart and I could hardly afford to get it fixed. I remember finding out that my private student loans would no longer be deferred and I owed hundreds that I didn&#039;t have. And then I remember getting a going away gift card to Target from my host site and being THRILLED to buy new socks, underwear, and a phone charger for my car. And then the first &quot;real&quot; paycheck after my 2 years in poverty...

AmeriCorps was HARD- for so many reasons. But it made me view a lot of things differently, and I wouldn&#039;t change it for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the exception of the stocks part, this sounds a lot like my AmeriCorps term. I remember the time the back end of my car fell apart and I could hardly afford to get it fixed. I remember finding out that my private student loans would no longer be deferred and I owed hundreds that I didn&#8217;t have. And then I remember getting a going away gift card to Target from my host site and being THRILLED to buy new socks, underwear, and a phone charger for my car. And then the first &#8220;real&#8221; paycheck after my 2 years in poverty&#8230;</p>
<p>AmeriCorps was HARD- for so many reasons. But it made me view a lot of things differently, and I wouldn&#8217;t change it for anything.</p>
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