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		<title>By: 221b</title>
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		<dc:creator>221b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Not Quite Sonic Same story with me. While the recruitment agency I worked for was quite small (and had a very good reputation), it became rapidly apparent that the focus would always be on the client, rarely the candidate. Applicants were genuinely thought of as commodities, and I often came home feeling gloomy and guilty about how few of the people I met I could actually help (or how many times we were told to recommend getting more - unpaid! - work experience). 

I can think of conversations about specific candidates&#039; looks, intelligence, class/background, even smell... which make my stomach turn to recall. One candidate was quite overweight, and while she made a great impression at interviews, and secured a good job through our agency, she was given a really cruel nickname in the office, and was the butt of a lot of nasty jokes. It&#039;s jarring to think that something which is billed as a helpful service (&quot;we can find you a job!&quot;), is so unpleasant under the surface.

I&#039;m glad that you got out! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Not Quite Sonic Same story with me. While the recruitment agency I worked for was quite small (and had a very good reputation), it became rapidly apparent that the focus would always be on the client, rarely the candidate. Applicants were genuinely thought of as commodities, and I often came home feeling gloomy and guilty about how few of the people I met I could actually help (or how many times we were told to recommend getting more &#8211; unpaid! &#8211; work experience). </p>
<p>I can think of conversations about specific candidates&#8217; looks, intelligence, class/background, even smell&#8230; which make my stomach turn to recall. One candidate was quite overweight, and while she made a great impression at interviews, and secured a good job through our agency, she was given a really cruel nickname in the office, and was the butt of a lot of nasty jokes. It&#8217;s jarring to think that something which is billed as a helpful service (&#8220;we can find you a job!&#8221;), is so unpleasant under the surface.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you got out!</p>
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		<title>By: brassmonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>brassmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NinetyNine I&#039;ve hired a few designers in my day and I&#039;ve never held their alma mater against them. Having gone to a high profile art school, I know that the name of the school has little to do with the talent of its grads. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NinetyNine I&#8217;ve hired a few designers in my day and I&#8217;ve never held their alma mater against them. Having gone to a high profile art school, I know that the name of the school has little to do with the talent of its grads.</p>
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		<title>By: AlliNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlliNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some great recruiters in NYC - GreenKey, Atrium, Solomon Page (in that order) worked really, really well for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some great recruiters in NYC &#8211; GreenKey, Atrium, Solomon Page (in that order) worked really, really well for me.</p>
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		<title>By: homotextual</title>
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		<dc:creator>homotextual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NinetyNine i have no real addition to your comment, but i just wanted to say all points of this are spot on, ugly truths and all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NinetyNine i have no real addition to your comment, but i just wanted to say all points of this are spot on, ugly truths and all.</p>
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		<title>By: ahlyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahlyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a technical writer working for a large federal government contractor.  We, (like nearly every other contracting company) employ graphic artists, writers, technologists, etc. for our various projects.  This is identically true for our massive commercial business as well.  I have never used a recruiter.  Have I been recruited by them? Yes, 100% of my work as a contractor has been through a recruiter that reps whatever contracting company, 95% of them are in-house recruiters (i.e. employees of the contracting company).

I probably get...3-5 emails a day from recruiters, and about that many calls a week, when I am in passive mode, not looking for a job.  When I am looking for a job I probably get 15-20 emails a day and 4-5 calls a day.  I am not super special.  I do have some impressive work assignments which heightens their attention, but this is a fairly standard response for people in my field (contracting, govt. contracting).

I would never ever use a recruiter trying to find jobs for me, the ideal situation (for everyone, always!) is that the recruiter is coming at you with a job already.  My two biggest tools for letting recruiters know that I am looking for a job are dice.com, and LinkedIn.  My LinkedIn profile is crazy, I mean that shit is extensive.  I spend hours putting all that stuff up there and getting recommends and verification of my awesome-ness from all previous jobs.  The nice thing is, recruiters will generally connect to you even if they don&#039;t have a job that you want right now and then will post new jobs on their LinkedIn profile.  I put the address of my LinkedIn page on my resume, right next to my email.

Seriously, if you are looking for a quick job in the right field, tech industry ALWAYS needs graphic designers, and the base salary is much MUCH higher than other industries because the workload is demanding (good for some people, bad for others).  Those are my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a technical writer working for a large federal government contractor.  We, (like nearly every other contracting company) employ graphic artists, writers, technologists, etc. for our various projects.  This is identically true for our massive commercial business as well.  I have never used a recruiter.  Have I been recruited by them? Yes, 100% of my work as a contractor has been through a recruiter that reps whatever contracting company, 95% of them are in-house recruiters (i.e. employees of the contracting company).</p>
<p>I probably get&#8230;3-5 emails a day from recruiters, and about that many calls a week, when I am in passive mode, not looking for a job.  When I am looking for a job I probably get 15-20 emails a day and 4-5 calls a day.  I am not super special.  I do have some impressive work assignments which heightens their attention, but this is a fairly standard response for people in my field (contracting, govt. contracting).</p>
<p>I would never ever use a recruiter trying to find jobs for me, the ideal situation (for everyone, always!) is that the recruiter is coming at you with a job already.  My two biggest tools for letting recruiters know that I am looking for a job are dice.com, and LinkedIn.  My LinkedIn profile is crazy, I mean that shit is extensive.  I spend hours putting all that stuff up there and getting recommends and verification of my awesome-ness from all previous jobs.  The nice thing is, recruiters will generally connect to you even if they don&#8217;t have a job that you want right now and then will post new jobs on their LinkedIn profile.  I put the address of my LinkedIn page on my resume, right next to my email.</p>
<p>Seriously, if you are looking for a quick job in the right field, tech industry ALWAYS needs graphic designers, and the base salary is much MUCH higher than other industries because the workload is demanding (good for some people, bad for others).  Those are my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: TARDIStime</title>
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		<dc:creator>TARDIStime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 01:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aetataureate small potatoes, definitely. If they can choose between spending time of finding a CEO candidate a job or an admin assistant a job, guess who they&#039;re going to focus on if one will almost certainly lead to a higher commission than the other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aetataureate small potatoes, definitely. If they can choose between spending time of finding a CEO candidate a job or an admin assistant a job, guess who they&#8217;re going to focus on if one will almost certainly lead to a higher commission than the other?</p>
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		<title>By: Nucking Fux Nix </title>
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		<dc:creator>Nucking Fux Nix </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article makes me a little sad because I&#039;m a recruiter. And yes, there are a lot of crappy ones out there. Honestly, I&#039;m a good recruiter and I definitely would never ask somebody to change their title and the most &quot;tweaking&quot; I do to a resume is formatting or spelling errors based. I&#039;m a technical recruiter, but the process is the same for almost all of them. I&#039;d be happy to answer anyone&#039;s questions about working with a recruiter, how our commissions are structured, etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article makes me a little sad because I&#8217;m a recruiter. And yes, there are a lot of crappy ones out there. Honestly, I&#8217;m a good recruiter and I definitely would never ask somebody to change their title and the most &#8220;tweaking&#8221; I do to a resume is formatting or spelling errors based. I&#8217;m a technical recruiter, but the process is the same for almost all of them. I&#8217;d be happy to answer anyone&#8217;s questions about working with a recruiter, how our commissions are structured, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel you on this one. Still job searching &amp; &quot;my&quot; recruiter has become a phone ghost. At one point I had her ON THE PHONE and she faked a call on the other line, telling me she&#039;d call back right away! That was a week ago. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel you on this one. Still job searching &#038; &#8220;my&#8221; recruiter has become a phone ghost. At one point I had her ON THE PHONE and she faked a call on the other line, telling me she&#8217;d call back right away! That was a week ago. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: woundedidealist@twitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>woundedidealist@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty typical of my experience with recruiters, and generally preferable to the other side, where, one time I was &quot;working&quot; with a recruiter who asked me to call him before applying to any job online -even ones that had nothing to do with him- so he could contact the company on my behalf. This sounded pretty fishy to me, so I never complied, and wound up finding a job on my own. He called me to check in and I explained that I had found a job, thanks for your help, etc., and he then proceeded to yell at me for not calling him first. Seriously got nasty. So... sometimes their complacency is preferable. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty typical of my experience with recruiters, and generally preferable to the other side, where, one time I was &#8220;working&#8221; with a recruiter who asked me to call him before applying to any job online -even ones that had nothing to do with him- so he could contact the company on my behalf. This sounded pretty fishy to me, so I never complied, and wound up finding a job on my own. He called me to check in and I explained that I had found a job, thanks for your help, etc., and he then proceeded to yell at me for not calling him first. Seriously got nasty. So&#8230; sometimes their complacency is preferable.</p>
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		<title>By: NinetyNine</title>
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		<dc:creator>NinetyNine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preface: was a designer in NY for 15 yrs. Hired over 20 people in that time, ran/managed three different studios.

1. If you don&#039;t have experience you will NEVER get anything other than entry level salary as a designer in NYC. Too many young, talented people, and a good portfolio can always be faked. The only way a firm will trust you is work done for them. Good firms will pay you a subsistence income and give you a fair bump in 6-12 mos. Note that there are very few good firms.

2. Recruiting in design has always been a low return for generalized recruiters, and the old line firms (Janou Pakter, et al) at this point can only make money placing senior positions (they all used to place freelance as bread and butter, but internet), so they probably won&#039;t even acknowledge receipt of your resume. 

3. All recruiting firms in New York will only call you if your resume is an exact match. Nothing less. They see too many resumes, and remember someone is paying them $10-20K to not have to look at the wrong resume. Be very specific about what you want. They probably can&#039;t help. Move on.

Understand that employers are getting flooded by resumes. We never listed anywhere besides the RISD alum list (my partner was an alum) and could get dozens of resumes overnight (and this is when things were relatively good). If we didn&#039;t like the first batch, we would post to CommArts (still an okay resource). That would get us over a 100. In 6 years I posted to CL once. It got me over 300 resumes in an hour. Never again.

If your income requirements mandate a more aggressive earnings path, consider seriously bailing on design. Here&#039;s the ugly truth: if you were really good and came from a name program, people would have helped with leads by now (professors are the best way to network). If you are really good but came from a minor school or state school, no one will ever look at your resume. Ever. If you can get some sort of online profile (portfolio site, good gimmick site, etc.) that might help. Don&#039;t want to insult your skills without seeing your work, but being even being a great designer doesn&#039;t necessarily make a difference. It&#039;s easy to find a great designer for literally nothing in New York as an employer. Why people get hired is that they project they are responsible and responsive, understand the business needs of the studio and their clients, and &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; complain that the work isn&#039;t sexy enough.

You can probably find more production-oriented jobs, by why would you? Salaries stagnate and it&#039;s dreary and repetitive. Get an accounting degree or something with earnings potential and do that for a decade. Then start a letterpress studio or something fun. It might grow into a full time thing and it would be far more rewarding that 70% of the design jobs in NY. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preface: was a designer in NY for 15 yrs. Hired over 20 people in that time, ran/managed three different studios.</p>
<p>1. If you don&#8217;t have experience you will NEVER get anything other than entry level salary as a designer in NYC. Too many young, talented people, and a good portfolio can always be faked. The only way a firm will trust you is work done for them. Good firms will pay you a subsistence income and give you a fair bump in 6-12 mos. Note that there are very few good firms.</p>
<p>2. Recruiting in design has always been a low return for generalized recruiters, and the old line firms (Janou Pakter, et al) at this point can only make money placing senior positions (they all used to place freelance as bread and butter, but internet), so they probably won&#8217;t even acknowledge receipt of your resume. </p>
<p>3. All recruiting firms in New York will only call you if your resume is an exact match. Nothing less. They see too many resumes, and remember someone is paying them $10-20K to not have to look at the wrong resume. Be very specific about what you want. They probably can&#8217;t help. Move on.</p>
<p>Understand that employers are getting flooded by resumes. We never listed anywhere besides the RISD alum list (my partner was an alum) and could get dozens of resumes overnight (and this is when things were relatively good). If we didn&#8217;t like the first batch, we would post to CommArts (still an okay resource). That would get us over a 100. In 6 years I posted to CL once. It got me over 300 resumes in an hour. Never again.</p>
<p>If your income requirements mandate a more aggressive earnings path, consider seriously bailing on design. Here&#8217;s the ugly truth: if you were really good and came from a name program, people would have helped with leads by now (professors are the best way to network). If you are really good but came from a minor school or state school, no one will ever look at your resume. Ever. If you can get some sort of online profile (portfolio site, good gimmick site, etc.) that might help. Don&#8217;t want to insult your skills without seeing your work, but being even being a great designer doesn&#8217;t necessarily make a difference. It&#8217;s easy to find a great designer for literally nothing in New York as an employer. Why people get hired is that they project they are responsible and responsive, understand the business needs of the studio and their clients, and <i>never</i> complain that the work isn&#8217;t sexy enough.</p>
<p>You can probably find more production-oriented jobs, by why would you? Salaries stagnate and it&#8217;s dreary and repetitive. Get an accounting degree or something with earnings potential and do that for a decade. Then start a letterpress studio or something fun. It might grow into a full time thing and it would be far more rewarding that 70% of the design jobs in NY.</p>
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