The Second American Civil War

Billfold pal Jodi Ettenberg sent me a link to this amazing Quora thread describing a hypothetical battle between every state in the U.S., and who would win. The top post by Jon Davis, a marine who served in Iraq and a self-described amateur historian, is pretty incredible:

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.

After the breakup many wondered which states would come out in control of the power void created by the dissolution of the United States. There were many with little chance against several of the larger more powerful states. The states in possession of a large population, predisposition for military (i.e.) military bases and a population open to the idea of warfare fared the best. In the long term we would look to states with self-sufficiency and long term military capabilities.

Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight and the population to support a powerful war machine.

• California
• Texas
• New York

Davis says that Virginia would be the best off economically because it would quickly take Washington and “secure much of the federal assets and infrastructure available to the country before the collapse.” This is all, of course, highly theoretical and fictional, but it’s a fascinating read.

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KatNotCat (#766)

Much of the major defense infrastructure is already located in Virginia, including the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and some training facilities, and a ton of military bases (the most of any state).

If we’re just sticking to an economics discussion, some regions of Virginia are almost completely economically dependent on the defense industry and/or federal government. So that’s an argument for why Virginians could win in a theoretical battle, but it also makes such a theoretical war even less likely. Virginia would be loathe to secede from the federal government/military for economic reasons, loyalty reasons (career military and government folks) and because it has a lot of transplants who only live there for their jobs.

Also NoVA would likely break off from the rest of Virginia–just like the real Civil War–and then both regions would be weakened.

synchronia (#185)

@KatNotCat Actually, the article talks about NoVA’s connection to the federal government! It says Virginia wouldn’t so much secede as become the center of the “Restored United States” and “assume the moral responsibility for reunification.” I agree about the rest of Virginia probably wanting to join the Neo-Confederate South though…

KatNotCat (#766)

@synchronia Much of the rest of Virginia, at least a huge swath of the Southeast, actually still has strong economic and cultural ties to the federal government and (federal) US Military though. The Peninsula has some of Virginia’s biggest cities and the military is one of the biggest employers in that region. It is a more conservative region than Northern Virginia, but it’s still dependent on the federal government and the military.
I just think NoVa would secede, because of the entire existence of the term “NoVa.” Jesus, get over yourselves.

ETA: I am way too into this. Really love this post.

California? I mean, maybe just because of the high population numbers and military bases but I don’t think many of the people in the high density/population areas (SF, LA mainly) have a willingness to fight. Residents of Kern/Bakersfield/San Bernadino/bits of San Diego would but, how many people actually live there?

Brunhilde (#78)

@polka dots vs stripes Well they already have half of the Pacific Fleet there to do it for them! But really, a lot of Northern California would break off from central/southern Cal given that they’ve been trying to do that since 1941 anyways.

Brunhilde (#78)

@Brunhilde Plus since “ability to be self sufficient” comes into play, they grow a shit load of the country’s agricultural products so they’ve got that going for them. And the technology sector.

honey cowl (#1,510)

I would totally read this novel.

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