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	<title>Comments on: Lisa and Bryan Are Moving in Together (Great Idea, Swell Idea)</title>
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		<title>By: more or yes</title>
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		<dc:creator>more or yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About to cohabit with a significant other for the first time! THIS IS RELEVANT TO MY INTERESTS.</description>
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		<title>By: Kara M & Lisa L@twitter</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/11/lisa-and-bryan-are-moving-in-together-great-idea-swell-idea/#comment-24532</link>
		<dc:creator>Kara M & Lisa L@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Megano! Ugh.  I know.  This comes moments after I told him, &quot;you&#039;re so weird! But... I guess you can&#039;t help it, so it&#039;s ok&quot;.  We both have a way with words.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Megano! Ugh.  I know.  This comes moments after I told him, &#8220;you&#8217;re so weird! But&#8230; I guess you can&#8217;t help it, so it&#8217;s ok&#8221;.  We both have a way with words.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara M & Lisa L@twitter</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/11/lisa-and-bryan-are-moving-in-together-great-idea-swell-idea/#comment-24531</link>
		<dc:creator>Kara M & Lisa L@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Reginal T. Squirge I don&#039;t cry anymore. I just shut down and turn into a huge bitch who yells about how independent she is.  Look forward to the &quot;Lisa and Bryan are Both Living In Their Cars Because Both Are Too Proud to Stay In the Apartment After They Broke Up&quot;  post.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Reginal T. Squirge I don&#8217;t cry anymore. I just shut down and turn into a huge bitch who yells about how independent she is.  Look forward to the &#8220;Lisa and Bryan are Both Living In Their Cars Because Both Are Too Proud to Stay In the Apartment After They Broke Up&#8221;  post.</p>
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		<title>By: LizF</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved in with my boyfriend sort of stupidly- meaning he begged me for a few months and I was travelling and between apartments and finally just spent so much time there I was like &quot;FINE I LIVE HERE NOW.&quot; 
It worked out really well for us but we are both &quot;creative&quot; and therefore don&#039;t make a ton of money and have student debt and I&#039;m pretty comfortable not having a ton of possessions. (My boyfriend, on the other hand is a decade older than I am and has LOTS of things) I brought over the one piece of furniture that I own and we had a discussion about how we would split the bills and we alternate buying groceries.
Moving in together doesn&#039;t have to be hard, just lay your expectations out up front. Like &quot;This is exactly how much money I make and this is how much debt I have so this is what I can pay for living in an apartment/house/yurt.&quot; Especially do this if you are the sort who wants to split everything 50/50. If the wealthier party wants to live better than the 50/50 split affords, a proportional to income split is a good plan- like 60/40. 
I would also suggest coming up with a cleaning plan and putting it into writing. This is something I do will all of my roommates and I didn&#039;t do it with my boyfriend and the end result is that my boyfriend does basically all the cleaning because he is a neat freak. This is not going to be the average outcome and it may lead to fights. 
This is the first time either of us have lived with an SO and it has been about a year so if it can work for us with very little planning, if there is thought and open communication beforehand it is going to work out EVEN BETTER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved in with my boyfriend sort of stupidly- meaning he begged me for a few months and I was travelling and between apartments and finally just spent so much time there I was like &#8220;FINE I LIVE HERE NOW.&#8221;<br />
It worked out really well for us but we are both &#8220;creative&#8221; and therefore don&#8217;t make a ton of money and have student debt and I&#8217;m pretty comfortable not having a ton of possessions. (My boyfriend, on the other hand is a decade older than I am and has LOTS of things) I brought over the one piece of furniture that I own and we had a discussion about how we would split the bills and we alternate buying groceries.<br />
Moving in together doesn&#8217;t have to be hard, just lay your expectations out up front. Like &#8220;This is exactly how much money I make and this is how much debt I have so this is what I can pay for living in an apartment/house/yurt.&#8221; Especially do this if you are the sort who wants to split everything 50/50. If the wealthier party wants to live better than the 50/50 split affords, a proportional to income split is a good plan- like 60/40.<br />
I would also suggest coming up with a cleaning plan and putting it into writing. This is something I do will all of my roommates and I didn&#8217;t do it with my boyfriend and the end result is that my boyfriend does basically all the cleaning because he is a neat freak. This is not going to be the average outcome and it may lead to fights.<br />
This is the first time either of us have lived with an SO and it has been about a year so if it can work for us with very little planning, if there is thought and open communication beforehand it is going to work out EVEN BETTER!</p>
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		<title>By: Lorelei@twitter</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/11/lisa-and-bryan-are-moving-in-together-great-idea-swell-idea/#comment-24460</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorelei@twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MissMushkila  I am a big, big fan of the 3-account system, where you each have separate checking accounts and then a joint checking account (obviously with savings and stuff we have more accounts than that total, but the basic system only needs three). We drew up an approximate monthly budget of our shared expenses, added some cushion for the unexpected, and then split that total according to what we thought was fair based on our particular circumstances. Now, at the end of each month we transfer our respective share into the joint account, and pay for everything shared out of that. It&#039;s much simpler than tracking totals and figuring out who owes what, especially since we don&#039;t split 50/50. But because we have separate accounts too it also means we&#039;re not getting in each other&#039;s business about individual spending decisions.

It&#039;s easy for us because our priorities for spending when it comes to the shared expenses are similar, and we nearly always go grocery or errand-shopping together, and if not, it&#039;s still based on a list we discussed beforehand. I am the one more concerned with spending, and also generally more proactive about planning and making things happen, which also helps - generally what happens is I make a plan and ask him if he&#039;s ok with it before buying anything, and then I&#039;m happy because the spending is what I&#039;m comfortable with and he&#039;s happy because he doesn&#039;t have to worry about it. 

Sometimes I feel guilty if there&#039;s something I&#039;m clearly eating more of than he does, but he&#039;s never complained about it and in fact sometimes scolds me for always asking &quot;would you eat this?&quot; and says if I want something I should just get it. I try to remember that I barely notice if the situation&#039;s reversed and, more importantly, our relationship is not about strict equality, but sharing and intimacy. And also that &quot;fair&quot; does not always mean &quot;the same.&quot; It&#039;s ok if we are not equally sharing everything we buy as long as the difference isn&#039;t adding up to a larger imbalance. There are a few grocery items we do pay for individually, mostly because the one who likes it better feels more comfortable that way - for example he drinks way more fancy tea than I do, and I eat way more dried fruit, both of them are pricier luxuries and also regular purchases, so we just feel better about paying for them individually even though he&#039;s not going to forbid me from drinking tea and I&#039;m not going to hide the fruit from him.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MissMushkila  I am a big, big fan of the 3-account system, where you each have separate checking accounts and then a joint checking account (obviously with savings and stuff we have more accounts than that total, but the basic system only needs three). We drew up an approximate monthly budget of our shared expenses, added some cushion for the unexpected, and then split that total according to what we thought was fair based on our particular circumstances. Now, at the end of each month we transfer our respective share into the joint account, and pay for everything shared out of that. It&#8217;s much simpler than tracking totals and figuring out who owes what, especially since we don&#8217;t split 50/50. But because we have separate accounts too it also means we&#8217;re not getting in each other&#8217;s business about individual spending decisions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for us because our priorities for spending when it comes to the shared expenses are similar, and we nearly always go grocery or errand-shopping together, and if not, it&#8217;s still based on a list we discussed beforehand. I am the one more concerned with spending, and also generally more proactive about planning and making things happen, which also helps &#8211; generally what happens is I make a plan and ask him if he&#8217;s ok with it before buying anything, and then I&#8217;m happy because the spending is what I&#8217;m comfortable with and he&#8217;s happy because he doesn&#8217;t have to worry about it. </p>
<p>Sometimes I feel guilty if there&#8217;s something I&#8217;m clearly eating more of than he does, but he&#8217;s never complained about it and in fact sometimes scolds me for always asking &#8220;would you eat this?&#8221; and says if I want something I should just get it. I try to remember that I barely notice if the situation&#8217;s reversed and, more importantly, our relationship is not about strict equality, but sharing and intimacy. And also that &#8220;fair&#8221; does not always mean &#8220;the same.&#8221; It&#8217;s ok if we are not equally sharing everything we buy as long as the difference isn&#8217;t adding up to a larger imbalance. There are a few grocery items we do pay for individually, mostly because the one who likes it better feels more comfortable that way &#8211; for example he drinks way more fancy tea than I do, and I eat way more dried fruit, both of them are pricier luxuries and also regular purchases, so we just feel better about paying for them individually even though he&#8217;s not going to forbid me from drinking tea and I&#8217;m not going to hide the fruit from him.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginal T. Squirge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginal T. Squirge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true.</p>
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		<title>By: DON</title>
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		<dc:creator>DON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But damnit Squirge doesn&#039;t everything?</description>
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		<title>By: pterodactylish</title>
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		<dc:creator>pterodactylish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>super excited for this. always wonder how people do this, because it&#039;s confusing! and hard! and especially when there is income differences. excited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>super excited for this. always wonder how people do this, because it&#8217;s confusing! and hard! and especially when there is income differences. excited.</p>
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		<title>By: MissMushkila</title>
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		<dc:creator>MissMushkila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just moved in with my boyfriend in September. Both of us had our own apartments before moving in together, but we had also both lived with other roommates in the past (and he lived with his 6-year ex-girlfriend for awhile as well).

It takes soooooo much talking to figure it out! With roommates, we split everything equally all the time, bought separate groceries, separate booze, etc. We are still figuring out how to split things, but I think one of the great things about living with a boyfriend is we share a lot of those costs and tasks of daily life.

I think it helps for us that we are in similar financial situations. Both of us went to public colleges that we paid for ourselves and have 25,000-30,000 in debt. My boyfriend is in grad school, which pays him a fairly generous living stipend. He makes less than I do as a private high school teacher, but pays less in taxes and only pays interest on his loans as they are deferred until he finishes his program.

We split rent, utilities, groceries, household purchases, and booze equally, but right now we both take turns paying and track these expenses in exel and try to keep it even. We&#039;ve talked about opening a joint checking account where we can divert some of each paycheck and get two cards so we just automatically have those expenses budgeted.

I know the thing with joint accounts is that it takes two people to open one, but only one to close it. But since we have been dating for two years, and I know everyone in his life from his grandparents to the kids he went to kindergarten with, I&#039;m not too concerned.

Has anyone done that before? How do other cohabitators manage your expenses?

One weird thing for me with splitting has been that we definitely don&#039;t use/spend the same amount on some things...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just moved in with my boyfriend in September. Both of us had our own apartments before moving in together, but we had also both lived with other roommates in the past (and he lived with his 6-year ex-girlfriend for awhile as well).</p>
<p>It takes soooooo much talking to figure it out! With roommates, we split everything equally all the time, bought separate groceries, separate booze, etc. We are still figuring out how to split things, but I think one of the great things about living with a boyfriend is we share a lot of those costs and tasks of daily life.</p>
<p>I think it helps for us that we are in similar financial situations. Both of us went to public colleges that we paid for ourselves and have 25,000-30,000 in debt. My boyfriend is in grad school, which pays him a fairly generous living stipend. He makes less than I do as a private high school teacher, but pays less in taxes and only pays interest on his loans as they are deferred until he finishes his program.</p>
<p>We split rent, utilities, groceries, household purchases, and booze equally, but right now we both take turns paying and track these expenses in exel and try to keep it even. We&#8217;ve talked about opening a joint checking account where we can divert some of each paycheck and get two cards so we just automatically have those expenses budgeted.</p>
<p>I know the thing with joint accounts is that it takes two people to open one, but only one to close it. But since we have been dating for two years, and I know everyone in his life from his grandparents to the kids he went to kindergarten with, I&#8217;m not too concerned.</p>
<p>Has anyone done that before? How do other cohabitators manage your expenses?</p>
<p>One weird thing for me with splitting has been that we definitely don&#8217;t use/spend the same amount on some things&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reginal T. Squirge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginal T. Squirge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will all end in tears.</description>
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