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		<title>By: MissMushkila</title>
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		<dc:creator>MissMushkila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 00:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TARDIStime I don&#039;t know if we are talking about different things, but if you have a one-year lease then whatever monthly rent you agreed to is for that one year term - they CAN&#039;T increase it during the rent agreement. Usually rent increases when you go to re-sign for another year. This is why some people I know prefer 1.5 or 2 year leases (although you are also tied down for longer), because you know your expenses will be constant for longer. If you are month to month, landlords have to give you notice of a rent increase equal to whatever your notice period is. They can&#039;t just increase the rent whenever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TARDIStime I don&#8217;t know if we are talking about different things, but if you have a one-year lease then whatever monthly rent you agreed to is for that one year term &#8211; they CAN&#8217;T increase it during the rent agreement. Usually rent increases when you go to re-sign for another year. This is why some people I know prefer 1.5 or 2 year leases (although you are also tied down for longer), because you know your expenses will be constant for longer. If you are month to month, landlords have to give you notice of a rent increase equal to whatever your notice period is. They can&#8217;t just increase the rent whenever.</p>
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		<title>By: hellonheels</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JustTheFacts Whoa there. Your point is well taken, but studies have shown that rent control does drive up rents overall. Is rent control the primary cause of SF&#039;s insane rents? No way. That honor goes to the tech companies that pay their employees salaries that allow them to pay whatever landlords are asking (and, in the case of real estate, hundreds of thousands of dollars more). I am in no way anti rent control - in fact I probably benefit from it more than anyone I know - but it does have an effect on average rents overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JustTheFacts Whoa there. Your point is well taken, but studies have shown that rent control does drive up rents overall. Is rent control the primary cause of SF&#8217;s insane rents? No way. That honor goes to the tech companies that pay their employees salaries that allow them to pay whatever landlords are asking (and, in the case of real estate, hundreds of thousands of dollars more). I am in no way anti rent control &#8211; in fact I probably benefit from it more than anyone I know &#8211; but it does have an effect on average rents overall.</p>
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		<title>By: JustTheFacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustTheFacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hellonheels,

I am pretty close to POSITIVE that rents would not go down one red cent if there was no rent control. That&#039;s definitely the case in NYC.

That &quot;subsidize long term tenants&quot; canard is well-loved by our nyc -wait for it- &quot;Rent Stabilization Association&quot; (by which they actually mean &quot;want to kill rent stabilization with a hot passion and then stomp on it&#039;s dead body, killing it even deader than dead&quot;).

I would absolutely bet that rents would not go down even one little penny, if rent stabilization were not in place in New York City, despite what landlord associations promise as if that were their nearest and dearest wish.

In NYC it&#039;s a fight to see how MUCH you can charge, not to see *how little*. So please, landlords don&#039;t &quot;have&quot; to raise rents on newly available units. Landlords are in it to turn as high a profit as they are able. The number of people who just want to &quot;keep it real&quot; and make a decent amount WHILE ALSO providing a reasonably priced place to live is more the exception than the rule. Totally exists, folks who say: I could charge you more and make more, but I&#039;d rather charge a bit less because fuck it, I can and it&#039;s nice to give someone a break.

To be fair, being a landlord can be a pain (people, man.) But still. Maximize profits. That&#039;s the name of the game. No one is &quot;subsidize those bastards who are getting a slightly more reasonable deal&quot;. It&#039;s just that some folks don&#039;t get in on stabilized (as it&#039;s called here in nyc) rents. But pitting renters against each other is a strategy not designed to benefit renters. Just, if you see what I&#039;m saying... divide and conquer, etc. etc. 

(And anyone who is getting an unheard of fabulous deal is either 80 or won the jackpot and is a total legend talked about by folks for miles around. Because it&#039;s. that. unusual.) 

Still, though. 1K in the castro that&#039;s a pretty damn good deal.

But please don&#039;t perpetuate the rumor (seeded misinformation) that subsidized tenants cost other tenants money. That&#039;s just not how it works. Their rents would just go up, non-subsidized rents wouldn&#039;t go down, if there were not rent protections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hellonheels,</p>
<p>I am pretty close to POSITIVE that rents would not go down one red cent if there was no rent control. That&#8217;s definitely the case in NYC.</p>
<p>That &#8220;subsidize long term tenants&#8221; canard is well-loved by our nyc -wait for it- &#8220;Rent Stabilization Association&#8221; (by which they actually mean &#8220;want to kill rent stabilization with a hot passion and then stomp on it&#8217;s dead body, killing it even deader than dead&#8221;).</p>
<p>I would absolutely bet that rents would not go down even one little penny, if rent stabilization were not in place in New York City, despite what landlord associations promise as if that were their nearest and dearest wish.</p>
<p>In NYC it&#8217;s a fight to see how MUCH you can charge, not to see *how little*. So please, landlords don&#8217;t &#8220;have&#8221; to raise rents on newly available units. Landlords are in it to turn as high a profit as they are able. The number of people who just want to &#8220;keep it real&#8221; and make a decent amount WHILE ALSO providing a reasonably priced place to live is more the exception than the rule. Totally exists, folks who say: I could charge you more and make more, but I&#8217;d rather charge a bit less because fuck it, I can and it&#8217;s nice to give someone a break.</p>
<p>To be fair, being a landlord can be a pain (people, man.) But still. Maximize profits. That&#8217;s the name of the game. No one is &#8220;subsidize those bastards who are getting a slightly more reasonable deal&#8221;. It&#8217;s just that some folks don&#8217;t get in on stabilized (as it&#8217;s called here in nyc) rents. But pitting renters against each other is a strategy not designed to benefit renters. Just, if you see what I&#8217;m saying&#8230; divide and conquer, etc. etc. </p>
<p>(And anyone who is getting an unheard of fabulous deal is either 80 or won the jackpot and is a total legend talked about by folks for miles around. Because it&#8217;s. that. unusual.) </p>
<p>Still, though. 1K in the castro that&#8217;s a pretty damn good deal.</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t perpetuate the rumor (seeded misinformation) that subsidized tenants cost other tenants money. That&#8217;s just not how it works. Their rents would just go up, non-subsidized rents wouldn&#8217;t go down, if there were not rent protections.</p>
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		<title>By: TARDIStime</title>
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		<dc:creator>TARDIStime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so timely - I&#039;m about to sign a new lease with MR TARDIStime on Saturday and has prompted me to look into seeing if we can have it written into the lease that they can&#039;t put up the rent during the 1 year term we&#039;ve signed up for (I know this is a thing we can do, but I don&#039;t know specifics?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so timely &#8211; I&#8217;m about to sign a new lease with MR TARDIStime on Saturday and has prompted me to look into seeing if we can have it written into the lease that they can&#8217;t put up the rent during the 1 year term we&#8217;ve signed up for (I know this is a thing we can do, but I don&#8217;t know specifics?).</p>
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		<title>By: keaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>keaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wallsdonotfall 
Yeah, I&#039;ve heard the one-third rule too, I think it&#039;s sound advice.  I&#039;ve had irregular living situations in the last while, but in my last proper flat my rent was 25% of my (take-home) income, which was pretty good as I wasn&#039;t earning that much and was living in an expensive city.</description>
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Yeah, I&#8217;ve heard the one-third rule too, I think it&#8217;s sound advice.  I&#8217;ve had irregular living situations in the last while, but in my last proper flat my rent was 25% of my (take-home) income, which was pretty good as I wasn&#8217;t earning that much and was living in an expensive city.</p>
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		<title>By: hellonheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellonheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kellyography SF has some pretty intense rent control - the allowable annual increases between 2006 and now ranged from 0.1% to 2.2%. That&#039;s part of the reason why rents are so insanely high here - landlords have to raise rents on newly available units to subsidize long-term tenants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kellyography SF has some pretty intense rent control &#8211; the allowable annual increases between 2006 and now ranged from 0.1% to 2.2%. That&#8217;s part of the reason why rents are so insanely high here &#8211; landlords have to raise rents on newly available units to subsidize long-term tenants.</p>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is inspiring. I live in Noe Valley in a 2-bedroom with a friend. We&#039;ve been there a little over three years and are planning to move out and go our separate ways in early 2013. Even though this apartment has served me well, I&#039;m really excited to move. But the rents in SF right now are INSANE. Another unit in our building is open right now and it&#039;s going for $800 more than our original rent. 

I would really love to get my own place but I&#039;ll probably need to find another more affordable house share situation (I work for a non-profit which means I&#039;m not raking in the big bucks). Maybe I can charm some friendly landlord into slightly cheaper rent for a little studio somewhere like this piece&#039;s author did? I&#039;m more than willing to dispose of any stray coupon books!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is inspiring. I live in Noe Valley in a 2-bedroom with a friend. We&#8217;ve been there a little over three years and are planning to move out and go our separate ways in early 2013. Even though this apartment has served me well, I&#8217;m really excited to move. But the rents in SF right now are INSANE. Another unit in our building is open right now and it&#8217;s going for $800 more than our original rent. </p>
<p>I would really love to get my own place but I&#8217;ll probably need to find another more affordable house share situation (I work for a non-profit which means I&#8217;m not raking in the big bucks). Maybe I can charm some friendly landlord into slightly cheaper rent for a little studio somewhere like this piece&#8217;s author did? I&#8217;m more than willing to dispose of any stray coupon books!</p>
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		<title>By: pterodactylish</title>
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		<dc:creator>pterodactylish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also factor in neighborhood issues. I live near a big construction site and brought up the daily symptoms of living near it in trying to negotiate a lower rent increase. IE, &quot;There is blasting every day at 4 and I cannot open my windows because it&#039;s so noisy during the day.&quot; Changed landlord&#039;s tune from a $100 rent hike per month to a $50/month hike. Not too shabby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also factor in neighborhood issues. I live near a big construction site and brought up the daily symptoms of living near it in trying to negotiate a lower rent increase. IE, &#8220;There is blasting every day at 4 and I cannot open my windows because it&#8217;s so noisy during the day.&#8221; Changed landlord&#8217;s tune from a $100 rent hike per month to a $50/month hike. Not too shabby!</p>
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		<title>By: kellyography</title>
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		<dc:creator>kellyography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$1050 for a one-bed in the Castro is AMAZING. However: Did the rent increase over the past 6 years? Do you still live there? Etc. 

Rent in places like SF and NYC always exceed those &quot;rules&quot; anyway. Most people I know spend about half their salary on rent, especially if they want to live alone or in a nice neighborhood, or both (which is the holy grail for me). In contrast, I live in an okay but somewhat inconvenient NYC-area neighborhood with three roommates and pay rent just according to those &quot;rules.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1050 for a one-bed in the Castro is AMAZING. However: Did the rent increase over the past 6 years? Do you still live there? Etc. </p>
<p>Rent in places like SF and NYC always exceed those &#8220;rules&#8221; anyway. Most people I know spend about half their salary on rent, especially if they want to live alone or in a nice neighborhood, or both (which is the holy grail for me). In contrast, I live in an okay but somewhat inconvenient NYC-area neighborhood with three roommates and pay rent just according to those &#8220;rules.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: WaityKatie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BornSecular Yeah, I read the &quot;I don&#039;t want to live alone&quot; part and was like, Huh??? I have never heard of such a thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BornSecular Yeah, I read the &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to live alone&#8221; part and was like, Huh??? I have never heard of such a thing!</p>
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