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		<title>By: Olivia2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean - am I to assume that this wedding was approximately $60,000? I just (JUST!!!!) got back from our honeymoon and we got married in Chicago, 65 people, and did it for under $17,000.....I mean, it&#039;s Chicago - it&#039;s not inexpensive...this seems unreasonable to me - or at least A LOT! 

P.S. Mike Dang I am HAPPY to itemize my wedding expenses - and I&#039;m also an event planner as a job so...maybe helpful? I guess mostly why I bring that up is that I have a VERY comprehensive spreadsheet detailing every cost. Of everything. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean &#8211; am I to assume that this wedding was approximately $60,000? I just (JUST!!!!) got back from our honeymoon and we got married in Chicago, 65 people, and did it for under $17,000&#8230;..I mean, it&#8217;s Chicago &#8211; it&#8217;s not inexpensive&#8230;this seems unreasonable to me &#8211; or at least A LOT! </p>
<p>P.S. Mike Dang I am HAPPY to itemize my wedding expenses &#8211; and I&#8217;m also an event planner as a job so&#8230;maybe helpful? I guess mostly why I bring that up is that I have a VERY comprehensive spreadsheet detailing every cost. Of everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Faintly Macabre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faintly Macabre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 16:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@werewolfbarmitzvah But how will your male wedding guests remember you without custom-made ties???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@werewolfbarmitzvah But how will your male wedding guests remember you without custom-made ties???</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Sparkles</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Sparkles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@littleoaks Oh, you got it! First off, I should disclose that I am in the process of changing careers &amp; if I sound bitter, it&#039;s becaue I am. So excuse my &#039;tude &amp; enjoy the rant.

Preparation: There is a lot more uncertainty &amp; people change their minds &amp; every time they do so, I MAKE A NEW QUOTE. That chicken example is in no way far fetched that I&#039;d have a month of back &amp; forth emails about how can they have a steak option but pay the chicken price. Can we just have less servers? No, never negotiable. What if we have smaller portions? No, that just makes me look unprofessional &amp; you look cheap (No one will have anything to say about a happy belly full of chicken, but your guests will remember that they ran out of protein). Just to clarify, I am not judging someone if they cannot afford the steak. It is the emotional attachment to the steak that I find frustrating. If a corporate client tells me that they would like steak, tells me their budget &amp; those things do not match, then I&#039;d tell them what the price would be, &amp; hey, you totally could do a great chicken &amp; stay within your costs. Their decision is normally, “I&#039;ll find more money” or “Great, let&#039;s do the chicken.” If I have the same conversation with a couple planning a wedding, there is a lot more emotional attachment to the steak followed by back &amp; forth decisions of do they want to go over budget in order to have steak or not. Yes. No. Yes. Wait. Well, what if... HOW CAN WE HAVE STEAK? On top of that, I find it comes from this really ugly place of feeling like their guests will be judging them &amp; keeping score. No one is doing this. Your guests need to feel like they are taken care of &amp; after that, they are busy dancing &amp; celebrating &amp; showing y’all with love. No one will remember. Make a decision. Stop the revisions.

As far as the day of: It&#039;s mostly a matter of the shuffling of people. Most of my weddings would have the reception on one end of the property, followed by cocktails in another &amp; then dinner in whole &#039;nother location. Every time, a location is added it also adds- trash pick up, rentals- set up &amp; break down &amp; then all of the rentals need to come back to the same location to be processed. Trekking 150 chairs across the property is hell- especially at the end of a long night. Not only that, but even if you have one location, there a lot more “activities.” The cake cutting, passing the cake, champagne toasts, special flutes for the couple that are always lost until the minute before. There is always constant running in anticipation the next thing. &amp; yeah to the drunk wrangling- people tend to get wasted at weddings. There is a higher probability of vomit or just stupid shit we&#039;d have to deal with. There was one woman who was out of her fucking mind &amp; she sliced open her foot on the dance floor. Our chef ended up driving her to the ER. Good times. I&#039;m not saying that every wedding guarantees this kinda fun filled adventures, but it sure increases the chance. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@littleoaks Oh, you got it! First off, I should disclose that I am in the process of changing careers &#038; if I sound bitter, it&#8217;s becaue I am. So excuse my &#8216;tude &#038; enjoy the rant.</p>
<p>Preparation: There is a lot more uncertainty &#038; people change their minds &#038; every time they do so, I MAKE A NEW QUOTE. That chicken example is in no way far fetched that I&#8217;d have a month of back &#038; forth emails about how can they have a steak option but pay the chicken price. Can we just have less servers? No, never negotiable. What if we have smaller portions? No, that just makes me look unprofessional &#038; you look cheap (No one will have anything to say about a happy belly full of chicken, but your guests will remember that they ran out of protein). Just to clarify, I am not judging someone if they cannot afford the steak. It is the emotional attachment to the steak that I find frustrating. If a corporate client tells me that they would like steak, tells me their budget &#038; those things do not match, then I&#8217;d tell them what the price would be, &#038; hey, you totally could do a great chicken &#038; stay within your costs. Their decision is normally, “I&#8217;ll find more money” or “Great, let&#8217;s do the chicken.” If I have the same conversation with a couple planning a wedding, there is a lot more emotional attachment to the steak followed by back &#038; forth decisions of do they want to go over budget in order to have steak or not. Yes. No. Yes. Wait. Well, what if&#8230; HOW CAN WE HAVE STEAK? On top of that, I find it comes from this really ugly place of feeling like their guests will be judging them &#038; keeping score. No one is doing this. Your guests need to feel like they are taken care of &#038; after that, they are busy dancing &#038; celebrating &#038; showing y’all with love. No one will remember. Make a decision. Stop the revisions.</p>
<p>As far as the day of: It&#8217;s mostly a matter of the shuffling of people. Most of my weddings would have the reception on one end of the property, followed by cocktails in another &#038; then dinner in whole &#8216;nother location. Every time, a location is added it also adds- trash pick up, rentals- set up &#038; break down &#038; then all of the rentals need to come back to the same location to be processed. Trekking 150 chairs across the property is hell- especially at the end of a long night. Not only that, but even if you have one location, there a lot more “activities.” The cake cutting, passing the cake, champagne toasts, special flutes for the couple that are always lost until the minute before. There is always constant running in anticipation the next thing. &#038; yeah to the drunk wrangling- people tend to get wasted at weddings. There is a higher probability of vomit or just stupid shit we&#8217;d have to deal with. There was one woman who was out of her fucking mind &#038; she sliced open her foot on the dance floor. Our chef ended up driving her to the ER. Good times. I&#8217;m not saying that every wedding guarantees this kinda fun filled adventures, but it sure increases the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Sparkles</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Sparkles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@deepomega Thank you for elaborating that you did disclose that it was a wedding beforehand! That is entirely different than the surprises I have had thrown at me on the day of.  As far as catering pricing &amp; a &quot;wedding tax,&quot; that&#039;s already a thing &amp; I do it &amp; I&#039;d be happy to explain why!

There is no standard for the catering industry that dictates quote format. Some people calculate a flat package rate, a per guest cost (everyone will sell it to you like this), some line item everything &amp; some just say, here&#039;s the bottom line. Most of the time though, you will pretty consistently see something like “service charge” or “production charge” that is a percent of either the food &amp; labor or just the food.  (This is not a gratuity that goes to your servers as you would think a “service charge” would be. Really, the charge goes to paying rent &amp; insurance &amp; taxes &amp; well, profit. Your servers don&#039;t see a dime). Anyway, that % varies. What I set up is a standard 22% production charge for all weddings. If you have a wedding planner who will act as a buffer for the crazies, I&#039;d drop it to 18% (18% is what I would charge for a family reunion or any other regular event). That said though (!) I have brought down that percent based on conversations with the couple who did not have a planner. There was one that was so laid back- it really was not a wedding. They had only passed appetizers &amp; they wanted it to feel like a cocktail party. They were up front with their budget, communicated well &amp; so I moved numbers around to make it happen within their budget. If you really feel you are not having a wedding-wedding, explain why &amp; you may get a discount. It is a lot easier for me to remove a “batshit fee” at some point along in the process rather than tack on when things get all batshit. Also, it sounds like you guys were pretty cool about it- That might be why your rep still honored the initial quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@deepomega Thank you for elaborating that you did disclose that it was a wedding beforehand! That is entirely different than the surprises I have had thrown at me on the day of.  As far as catering pricing &#038; a &#8220;wedding tax,&#8221; that&#8217;s already a thing &#038; I do it &#038; I&#8217;d be happy to explain why!</p>
<p>There is no standard for the catering industry that dictates quote format. Some people calculate a flat package rate, a per guest cost (everyone will sell it to you like this), some line item everything &#038; some just say, here&#8217;s the bottom line. Most of the time though, you will pretty consistently see something like “service charge” or “production charge” that is a percent of either the food &#038; labor or just the food.  (This is not a gratuity that goes to your servers as you would think a “service charge” would be. Really, the charge goes to paying rent &#038; insurance &#038; taxes &#038; well, profit. Your servers don&#8217;t see a dime). Anyway, that % varies. What I set up is a standard 22% production charge for all weddings. If you have a wedding planner who will act as a buffer for the crazies, I&#8217;d drop it to 18% (18% is what I would charge for a family reunion or any other regular event). That said though (!) I have brought down that percent based on conversations with the couple who did not have a planner. There was one that was so laid back- it really was not a wedding. They had only passed appetizers &#038; they wanted it to feel like a cocktail party. They were up front with their budget, communicated well &#038; so I moved numbers around to make it happen within their budget. If you really feel you are not having a wedding-wedding, explain why &#038; you may get a discount. It is a lot easier for me to remove a “batshit fee” at some point along in the process rather than tack on when things get all batshit. Also, it sounds like you guys were pretty cool about it- That might be why your rep still honored the initial quote.</p>
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		<title>By: werewolfbarmitzvah</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/10/wedding-costs-from-the-dudes-perspective/#comment-19764</link>
		<dc:creator>werewolfbarmitzvah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god, I just finally read this now and all I can say is HOOOOOOOWHAT! 

I managed to get married, and none of this madness happened. None of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god, I just finally read this now and all I can say is HOOOOOOOWHAT! </p>
<p>I managed to get married, and none of this madness happened. None of it.</p>
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		<title>By: bitzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brunhilde Thank you!  I actually just added up what the whole shebang cost and got a little dizzy, but it was a lot of fun and Dad paid, so fuck it!  And we have a LOT of alcohol left. Well, did. Last Sunday we drank all of the leftover champagne in mimosas, watched the Hawks, and ate frittatas (it was glorious) and I have been making my way through the wine. Liquor was pretty much toast by the end of the night, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brunhilde Thank you!  I actually just added up what the whole shebang cost and got a little dizzy, but it was a lot of fun and Dad paid, so fuck it!  And we have a LOT of alcohol left. Well, did. Last Sunday we drank all of the leftover champagne in mimosas, watched the Hawks, and ate frittatas (it was glorious) and I have been making my way through the wine. Liquor was pretty much toast by the end of the night, though.</p>
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		<title>By: bitzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more cost reference, here is my breakdown: 
Seattle, early September (high season), about 85 ppl

Venue (including ceremony, day-of planner, cake, and catering) - $8,500
Officiant - $300
Stationery and postage - $775
Photographer (digital images, no prints or albums from them) - $1700
Band - $1750
Hotel suite for 3 nights and late night room service - $700
Flowers - $600
Transportation (family, wedding party and out of towners) - $1100
Beer and booze - $775
Wine -	$800
Rings -  $550
Suit for him and ties for wedding party - $500 (I think?)
My dress and jewelry - $1000
Gifts for wedding party - $250ish
Primping for me - $200

I honestly have no idea what the rehearsal dinner cost but it was really nice and included all of our out of town guests (around 45 ppl) and was generously paid for by my in-laws.

I refuse to add up those numbers because I know it will equal a ridiculous amount.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more cost reference, here is my breakdown:<br />
Seattle, early September (high season), about 85 ppl</p>
<p>Venue (including ceremony, day-of planner, cake, and catering) &#8211; $8,500<br />
Officiant &#8211; $300<br />
Stationery and postage &#8211; $775<br />
Photographer (digital images, no prints or albums from them) &#8211; $1700<br />
Band &#8211; $1750<br />
Hotel suite for 3 nights and late night room service &#8211; $700<br />
Flowers &#8211; $600<br />
Transportation (family, wedding party and out of towners) &#8211; $1100<br />
Beer and booze &#8211; $775<br />
Wine -	$800<br />
Rings &#8211;  $550<br />
Suit for him and ties for wedding party &#8211; $500 (I think?)<br />
My dress and jewelry &#8211; $1000<br />
Gifts for wedding party &#8211; $250ish<br />
Primping for me &#8211; $200</p>
<p>I honestly have no idea what the rehearsal dinner cost but it was really nice and included all of our out of town guests (around 45 ppl) and was generously paid for by my in-laws.</p>
<p>I refuse to add up those numbers because I know it will equal a ridiculous amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Brunhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brunhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bitzy I can vouch for said venue&#039;s (and said wedding&#039;s!) awesomeness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bitzy I can vouch for said venue&#8217;s (and said wedding&#8217;s!) awesomeness.</p>
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		<title>By: bitzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jfruh The general standard for a full-service wedding planner (not just day-of) is 10% of your costs. For example, she showed you a short list of 3 venues that met your criteria, you pick one that costs $10000, and she gets everything sorted out with them, so her fee is $1000 for that. Which seems insane, but I wish I had the cash to delegate a lot of that shit out. Luckily for us, the place we had our ceremony and reception was AWESOME (restored ferry boat from the 20s in the middle of Seattle) and includes a day-of event planner to run the show.  A lot of caterers will also include a day-of coordinator person for a small fee (&quot;small fee&quot;) if you ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jfruh The general standard for a full-service wedding planner (not just day-of) is 10% of your costs. For example, she showed you a short list of 3 venues that met your criteria, you pick one that costs $10000, and she gets everything sorted out with them, so her fee is $1000 for that. Which seems insane, but I wish I had the cash to delegate a lot of that shit out. Luckily for us, the place we had our ceremony and reception was AWESOME (restored ferry boat from the 20s in the middle of Seattle) and includes a day-of event planner to run the show.  A lot of caterers will also include a day-of coordinator person for a small fee (&#8220;small fee&#8221;) if you ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Brunhilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brunhilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jfruh I did this for two of my sisters&#039; weddings, since I used to cater and event-plan.  They were really casual affairs though, so it wasn&#039;t hard, I had lots of family help (Oh we need people to put beer and ice into tubs?  Which of my 27 cousins isn&#039;t doing anything?), so it was fun, and good for me to have something to do so I didn&#039;t get too drunk.  Which I suspect was part of their initial motivations for asking me in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jfruh I did this for two of my sisters&#8217; weddings, since I used to cater and event-plan.  They were really casual affairs though, so it wasn&#8217;t hard, I had lots of family help (Oh we need people to put beer and ice into tubs?  Which of my 27 cousins isn&#8217;t doing anything?), so it was fun, and good for me to have something to do so I didn&#8217;t get too drunk.  Which I suspect was part of their initial motivations for asking me in the first place.</p>
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