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		<title>By: la_di_da</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/reader-mail-why-dont-you-want-to-buy-a-house/#comment-9577</link>
		<dc:creator>la_di_da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As has been mentioned before, the decision to own a home requires calculating so many different variables that it&#039;s impossible to give any blanket statement for our generation for or against. In smaller markets it&#039;s totally possible to find a really good deal, I&#039;m sure. The new economy requires a very mobile workforce, but at the same time everything is increasingly digital, rendering location limitations or expectations kind of meaningless. You can work out of coffee shop or a garage in some industries. Not all, I know, but some. Then it might make sense to build your nest, if that&#039;s what you want. In New York, between maintenance fees and property taxes, not to mention skyrocketing prices--it&#039;s almost never worth it, unless you&#039;re buying a building you can rent out and know you&#039;re there forever, or at least can run it from wherever you are. That&#039;s a business not a home.

I will say this though. Once this housing bubble hits bottom (and I&#039;m in no position to tell you when that will be) then I anticipate houses going back to what they always were: an investment that can add greatly to quality of life and adds greatly to equity but not necessarily as a way to make money. I read somewhere (can&#039;t find the article now) that before the housing bubble in the end of the last century, houses really didn&#039;t appreciate in value(beyond inflation and such, etc.), but never lost money either. Safe as houses and such.

I would love to own my own place--the idea of always having to ask someone else whether or not i can put up a shelf in my own bedroom or rely on someone else to replace an old stove is just really really annoying. I don&#039;t know if will ever make any economic sense, but I&#039;m so tired of dealing with terrible landlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has been mentioned before, the decision to own a home requires calculating so many different variables that it&#8217;s impossible to give any blanket statement for our generation for or against. In smaller markets it&#8217;s totally possible to find a really good deal, I&#8217;m sure. The new economy requires a very mobile workforce, but at the same time everything is increasingly digital, rendering location limitations or expectations kind of meaningless. You can work out of coffee shop or a garage in some industries. Not all, I know, but some. Then it might make sense to build your nest, if that&#8217;s what you want. In New York, between maintenance fees and property taxes, not to mention skyrocketing prices&#8211;it&#8217;s almost never worth it, unless you&#8217;re buying a building you can rent out and know you&#8217;re there forever, or at least can run it from wherever you are. That&#8217;s a business not a home.</p>
<p>I will say this though. Once this housing bubble hits bottom (and I&#8217;m in no position to tell you when that will be) then I anticipate houses going back to what they always were: an investment that can add greatly to quality of life and adds greatly to equity but not necessarily as a way to make money. I read somewhere (can&#8217;t find the article now) that before the housing bubble in the end of the last century, houses really didn&#8217;t appreciate in value(beyond inflation and such, etc.), but never lost money either. Safe as houses and such.</p>
<p>I would love to own my own place&#8211;the idea of always having to ask someone else whether or not i can put up a shelf in my own bedroom or rely on someone else to replace an old stove is just really really annoying. I don&#8217;t know if will ever make any economic sense, but I&#8217;m so tired of dealing with terrible landlords.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn@twitter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cryptolect Maintenance fees take the place of what you would be spending on maintenance so the overall condo infrastructure gets maintained. It&#039;s probably more apt to think of it as being like a very local version of property taxes than like rent, as you are paying directly for services the wider community provides that benefit you and save you money. Rent lumps it all together (the mortgage, the owner&#039;s insurance, the owner&#039;s property taxes, and maintenance) and isn&#039;t nearly as specific.

I know you weren&#039;t actually not understanding what maintenance fees are, so I hope this doesn&#039;t read as patronizing or anything (conveying tone through text is hard!), but I do still think the comparison to property taxes is a much closer one. It&#039;s also kind of like having a one-stop lawn service, roof service, and service for every part of your home that isn&#039;t within your individual walls, and I will tell you, as a single family home owner, that those parts can be mighty expensive and it&#039;s nice to have them taken care of separately (assuming your condo association doesn&#039;t just blow your cash without keeping up the facilities, heh).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cryptolect Maintenance fees take the place of what you would be spending on maintenance so the overall condo infrastructure gets maintained. It&#8217;s probably more apt to think of it as being like a very local version of property taxes than like rent, as you are paying directly for services the wider community provides that benefit you and save you money. Rent lumps it all together (the mortgage, the owner&#8217;s insurance, the owner&#8217;s property taxes, and maintenance) and isn&#8217;t nearly as specific.</p>
<p>I know you weren&#8217;t actually not understanding what maintenance fees are, so I hope this doesn&#8217;t read as patronizing or anything (conveying tone through text is hard!), but I do still think the comparison to property taxes is a much closer one. It&#8217;s also kind of like having a one-stop lawn service, roof service, and service for every part of your home that isn&#8217;t within your individual walls, and I will tell you, as a single family home owner, that those parts can be mighty expensive and it&#8217;s nice to have them taken care of separately (assuming your condo association doesn&#8217;t just blow your cash without keeping up the facilities, heh).</p>
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		<title>By: City_Dater</title>
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		<dc:creator>City_Dater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@franklinmonster 

Everyone I know who has looked into ownership (in New York City) has found that the monthly maintainence fee on any apartment they can afford is HUGE.  Sometimes double or triple their potential mortgage payments.  So even if they were able to get the tax break, the cost of ownership is just too insanely high overall. </description>
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<p>Everyone I know who has looked into ownership (in New York City) has found that the monthly maintainence fee on any apartment they can afford is HUGE.  Sometimes double or triple their potential mortgage payments.  So even if they were able to get the tax break, the cost of ownership is just too insanely high overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rain@facebook</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/reader-mail-why-dont-you-want-to-buy-a-house/#comment-9533</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Rain@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trick is to (a) only buy a house where you want to live, rather than one you can afford but don&#039;t want to live in; (b) avoid buying in enormously inflated markets (and yes, it&#039;s possible to tell when an area is overpriced); and (c) buy a house with payments/ utilities that are equal to or cheaper than renting.

This means it doesn&#039;t make sense for most people to buy if they don&#039;t like to settle down or if they want to live in a city with a crazy housing market. (Or, for that matter, if they hate thinking about home repairs, have unstable incomes, or don&#039;t care about having a space they can modify as they&#039;d like.) But buying was an incredible deal for my family, and now that we&#039;ve paid off the mortgage early the financial peace of mind we have is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trick is to (a) only buy a house where you want to live, rather than one you can afford but don&#8217;t want to live in; (b) avoid buying in enormously inflated markets (and yes, it&#8217;s possible to tell when an area is overpriced); and (c) buy a house with payments/ utilities that are equal to or cheaper than renting.</p>
<p>This means it doesn&#8217;t make sense for most people to buy if they don&#8217;t like to settle down or if they want to live in a city with a crazy housing market. (Or, for that matter, if they hate thinking about home repairs, have unstable incomes, or don&#8217;t care about having a space they can modify as they&#8217;d like.) But buying was an incredible deal for my family, and now that we&#8217;ve paid off the mortgage early the financial peace of mind we have is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rain@facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Rain@facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@franklinmonster If it makes sense to itemize deductions, that is. It only made sense for me to do so the first year I owned my home and in a year when I had enormous medical expenses. For those of us who didn&#039;t take out really big mortgages, taking the standard deduction is often a better deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@franklinmonster If it makes sense to itemize deductions, that is. It only made sense for me to do so the first year I owned my home and in a year when I had enormous medical expenses. For those of us who didn&#8217;t take out really big mortgages, taking the standard deduction is often a better deal.</p>
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		<title>By: redheaded&crazy</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/reader-mail-why-dont-you-want-to-buy-a-house/#comment-9523</link>
		<dc:creator>redheaded&crazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Megano! but you could live RIGHT NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY!

the thought of moving out into the real world of Toronto stresses me outtttttttt. why can&#039;t things just be affordable?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Megano! but you could live RIGHT NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY!</p>
<p>the thought of moving out into the real world of Toronto stresses me outtttttttt. why can&#8217;t things just be affordable?!</p>
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		<title>By: redheaded&crazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>redheaded&crazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cryptolect this would stress me out as a homeowner too, living in an area that&#039;s frequently hit by hurricanes/etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cryptolect this would stress me out as a homeowner too, living in an area that&#8217;s frequently hit by hurricanes/etc.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptolect</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/reader-mail-why-dont-you-want-to-buy-a-house/#comment-9515</link>
		<dc:creator>cryptolect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I think too much about catastrophic climate change, but I live in a low-lying coastal area and I&#039;m worried I would become—literally—an underwater homeowner. I don&#039;t ever want to leave my city, but I bought a place, it would have to be in the hilly neighborhood, which is unfortunately kind of boring.

Also, can someone in a condo explain to me how maintenance fees aren&#039;t rent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I think too much about catastrophic climate change, but I live in a low-lying coastal area and I&#8217;m worried I would become—literally—an underwater homeowner. I don&#8217;t ever want to leave my city, but I bought a place, it would have to be in the hilly neighborhood, which is unfortunately kind of boring.</p>
<p>Also, can someone in a condo explain to me how maintenance fees aren&#8217;t rent?</p>
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		<title>By: mishaps</title>
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		<dc:creator>mishaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fig. 1 Yes, but (a) if you were smart/lucky enough to get a fixed rate mortgage, the rate will not fluctuate. You may refinance at a better rate, but it will not go up. Also (b) in @ghechr&#039;s point, the idea is that you&#039;ve already paid off the mortgage by the time you retire, so the only thing you have to worry about fluctuating is taxes, upkeep, and/or maintenance.

I tell myself that inflation will be my friend as a homeowner. Of course, I bought right at the start of an insanely low-inflation patch. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fig. 1 Yes, but (a) if you were smart/lucky enough to get a fixed rate mortgage, the rate will not fluctuate. You may refinance at a better rate, but it will not go up. Also (b) in @ghechr&#8217;s point, the idea is that you&#8217;ve already paid off the mortgage by the time you retire, so the only thing you have to worry about fluctuating is taxes, upkeep, and/or maintenance.</p>
<p>I tell myself that inflation will be my friend as a homeowner. Of course, I bought right at the start of an insanely low-inflation patch. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Megano!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megano!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fig. 1 Toronto or Vancouver? I&#039;m in Toronto, couldn&#039;t afford a house here, don&#039;t won&#039;t to pay out the nose for a tiny, probably poorly constructed condo. Also I don&#039;t even have a steady job or a career even, so there&#039;s that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fig. 1 Toronto or Vancouver? I&#8217;m in Toronto, couldn&#8217;t afford a house here, don&#8217;t won&#8217;t to pay out the nose for a tiny, probably poorly constructed condo. Also I don&#8217;t even have a steady job or a career even, so there&#8217;s that.</p>
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