Comments on: Four Reasons You Aren’t Responding To My Job Application Email http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/ Everything About Money You Were Too Polite To Ask Sat, 25 May 2013 22:57:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Saralyn@twitter http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9693 Saralyn@twitter Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:43:20 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9693 @Amanda@twitter I'm currently on the hiring committee for a position at work, which is a super strange feeling. When we see people applying for the position with PhDs or who were formerly [Marketing, Giving, Development] Directors and making twice as much or more than what we know we can offer, we often don't start them through the interview process. Partly because it's a lower, more menial level of work than they would be used to (and we'd fear turnover) but also because of the salary thing. We don't want to put them all the way through the process, get excited, and offer them the job if they will reject it based on salary. @Amanda@twitter I’m currently on the hiring committee for a position at work, which is a super strange feeling. When we see people applying for the position with PhDs or who were formerly [Marketing, Giving, Development] Directors and making twice as much or more than what we know we can offer, we often don’t start them through the interview process. Partly because it’s a lower, more menial level of work than they would be used to (and we’d fear turnover) but also because of the salary thing. We don’t want to put them all the way through the process, get excited, and offer them the job if they will reject it based on salary.

]]> By: stuffisthings http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9578 stuffisthings Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:22:40 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9578 @Amanda@twitter At my workplace, assistant-level jobs are staffed with two kinds of people: those with Master's degrees who feel they are too good for the work and leave as soon as they can, and those without Master's degrees who leave as soon as they can to get Master's degrees. @Amanda@twitter At my workplace, assistant-level jobs are staffed with two kinds of people: those with Master’s degrees who feel they are too good for the work and leave as soon as they can, and those without Master’s degrees who leave as soon as they can to get Master’s degrees.

]]> By: navigateher http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9528 navigateher Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:29:22 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9528 @Amanda@twitter It's always a risk, no matter what kind of a job you're hiring for. But, some people really look for that sort of a job (and they might be educated to do just that), and also, it sometimes gets a bit annoying when you hire an overqualified person, and it becomes so clear that the person is interested in everything else but his actual job, and you have to constantly remind him of what he is hired to do (I'm a bit lost for words here so I might not be able to explain what I mean, suddenly English seems very hard?!). And again, my experience is from accounting and finance. It might be different in another field, i.e. I cannot see how someone might be overqualified for a cashier job or something like that, because I don't think it's a target career for many people. @Amanda@twitter It’s always a risk, no matter what kind of a job you’re hiring for. But, some people really look for that sort of a job (and they might be educated to do just that), and also, it sometimes gets a bit annoying when you hire an overqualified person, and it becomes so clear that the person is interested in everything else but his actual job, and you have to constantly remind him of what he is hired to do (I’m a bit lost for words here so I might not be able to explain what I mean, suddenly English seems very hard?!). And again, my experience is from accounting and finance. It might be different in another field, i.e. I cannot see how someone might be overqualified for a cashier job or something like that, because I don’t think it’s a target career for many people.

]]> By: Amanda@twitter http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9519 Amanda@twitter Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:13:51 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9519 @navigateher But don't these kinds of jobs have high turnover anyway? I realize the risk is higher that the person will get bored and leave if they are really educated, but isn't it a risk either way? @navigateher But don’t these kinds of jobs have high turnover anyway? I realize the risk is higher that the person will get bored and leave if they are really educated, but isn’t it a risk either way?

]]> By: thecoffeestain http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9513 thecoffeestain Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:01:20 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9513 @navigateher: Oh absolutely not. You weren't that harsh at all and I took it as exactly what it was: a simple truth about the reality of the world. You are absolutely correct when you say that about some people, unfortunately I'm not one of them. I like diversity and challenge. Monotony and I are not good friends, so I don't know how long I'll be around here for, but I'm thankful to you for giving me a new lens to look at my present situation through. @navigateher: Oh absolutely not. You weren’t that harsh at all and I took it as exactly what it was: a simple truth about the reality of the world.

You are absolutely correct when you say that about some people, unfortunately I’m not one of them. I like diversity and challenge. Monotony and I are not good friends, so I don’t know how long I’ll be around here for, but I’m thankful to you for giving me a new lens to look at my present situation through.

]]> By: navigateher http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9511 navigateher Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:48:06 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9511 @thecoffeestain I really hope I didn't come across more harsh than I intended! It's just that sometimes the employer really knows that a person won't be too happy doing a certain job. And I'm all for professional growth, but sometimes you just need a person to do a dull task day-in-day-out, and that's really not a place to look for "talent". But the wonderful thing is, there are so many people that are willing to do that task for the next 30 years if that means that they won't be challenged too much and will forever know what their workday will include! @thecoffeestain I really hope I didn’t come across more harsh than I intended! It’s just that sometimes the employer really knows that a person won’t be too happy doing a certain job. And I’m all for professional growth, but sometimes you just need a person to do a dull task day-in-day-out, and that’s really not a place to look for “talent”. But the wonderful thing is, there are so many people that are willing to do that task for the next 30 years if that means that they won’t be challenged too much and will forever know what their workday will include!

]]> By: thecoffeestain http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9508 thecoffeestain Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:26:37 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9508 @navigateher: You have totally put a few things in perspective for me. I never really thought about it like that. I took the job I did because it was a paycheck, despite the fact that I am dreadfully over-qualified. For the past couple months I've been rather "down in the dumps" because I haven't had any chance to grow or develop in the role despite excellent performance. It wasn't until I read your comment "Some people seem to expect that the minute they’re hired for anything, the company will recognize their talent and superb education and they’ll end up doing something much more glamorous in a matter of months. They’re very dissappointed when that doesn’t happen" that I felt a metaphorical slap across the face while simultaneously hearing "Stop acting all entitled! You are damn lucky, goddamnit!" Thanks for the reality check! @navigateher: You have totally put a few things in perspective for me. I never really thought about it like that. I took the job I did because it was a paycheck, despite the fact that I am dreadfully over-qualified. For the past couple months I’ve been rather “down in the dumps” because I haven’t had any chance to grow or develop in the role despite excellent performance. It wasn’t until I read your comment “Some people seem to expect that the minute they’re hired for anything, the company will recognize their talent and superb education and they’ll end up doing something much more glamorous in a matter of months. They’re very dissappointed when that doesn’t happen” that I felt a metaphorical slap across the face while simultaneously hearing “Stop acting all entitled! You are damn lucky, goddamnit!” Thanks for the reality check!

]]> By: navigateher http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9504 navigateher Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:46:47 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9504 @Amanda@twitter I've seen people with master's degrees hired for something they're overqualified for. They usually end up leaving very soon, when they realize that their job really is actually just as boring, entry-level and routine as it said in the job ad. Some people seem to expect that the minute they're hired for anything, the company will recognize their talent and superb education and they'll end up doing something much more glamorous in a matter of months. They're very dissappointed when that doesn't happen. And yes, there's the salary expectation. If I can hire a person to do a simple task for a lower education and 1800€, I'm not going to pay 1000€ more for someone to do it, no matter how excellent they might be. In here at least in some fields the universities seem to give people guidance for how much money they should expect to make based on their degrees only, and people often see that as a minimum salary they should request. And the numbers are somewhat ridiculous, always. I've actually heard people say in job interviews during the salary discussion, "but that's really low for someone with my degree". Also, I wouldn't want to hire someone who's got a masters and a couple of years of assisting level experience, yet they're applying for a same level job. I want ambitious people. This of course coming from a field where there is a shortage of skilled people and in general a shortage of people wanting to work in that field. I understand that this is much different in some other fields and other countries, especially the US. @Amanda@twitter I’ve seen people with master’s degrees hired for something they’re overqualified for. They usually end up leaving very soon, when they realize that their job really is actually just as boring, entry-level and routine as it said in the job ad. Some people seem to expect that the minute they’re hired for anything, the company will recognize their talent and superb education and they’ll end up doing something much more glamorous in a matter of months. They’re very dissappointed when that doesn’t happen. And yes, there’s the salary expectation. If I can hire a person to do a simple task for a lower education and 1800€, I’m not going to pay 1000€ more for someone to do it, no matter how excellent they might be. In here at least in some fields the universities seem to give people guidance for how much money they should expect to make based on their degrees only, and people often see that as a minimum salary they should request. And the numbers are somewhat ridiculous, always. I’ve actually heard people say in job interviews during the salary discussion, “but that’s really low for someone with my degree”.

Also, I wouldn’t want to hire someone who’s got a masters and a couple of years of assisting level experience, yet they’re applying for a same level job. I want ambitious people. This of course coming from a field where there is a shortage of skilled people and in general a shortage of people wanting to work in that field. I understand that this is much different in some other fields and other countries, especially the US.

]]> By: Megano! http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9491 Megano! Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:36:37 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9491 Oh man, we are in the same place man. I'm gonna be optimistic and always assume it's number 2, when it's most likely number 3 or 4 (though 4 for different reasons, like my glasses are too cool). Oh man, we are in the same place man. I’m gonna be optimistic and always assume it’s number 2, when it’s most likely number 3 or 4 (though 4 for different reasons, like my glasses are too cool).

]]> By: cdarcy http://thebillfold.com/2012/07/four-reasons-you-arent-responding-to-my-job-application-email/#comment-9489 cdarcy Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:07:04 +0000 http://thebillfold.com/?p=8028#comment-9489 @Amanda@twitter That's OK. I'm 29 and I'm still too overqualified to receive even rejection letters from my job enquiries. @Amanda@twitter That’s OK. I’m 29 and I’m still too overqualified to receive even rejection letters from my job enquiries.

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