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		<title>By: Not_all_youts</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/06/its-not-easy-to-get-back-up-after-youve-fallen/#comment-10731</link>
		<dc:creator>Not_all_youts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RachelG8489: Are you shitting me? You buy a $2,000+ computer to look for a job? Couldn&#039;t the library PC do it just fine? Couldn&#039;t a $200 asus off craigslist work just fine? 

Poor decision making begets more poor decisions, which ultimately could lead to living off someone else&#039; (mine) dime. I bet you&#039;re college educated too, with some super-relevant and practical degree like sociology or afro-american womens studies? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RachelG8489: Are you shitting me? You buy a $2,000+ computer to look for a job? Couldn&#8217;t the library PC do it just fine? Couldn&#8217;t a $200 asus off craigslist work just fine? </p>
<p>Poor decision making begets more poor decisions, which ultimately could lead to living off someone else&#8217; (mine) dime. I bet you&#8217;re college educated too, with some super-relevant and practical degree like sociology or afro-american womens studies?</p>
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		<title>By: MuffyStJohn</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/06/its-not-easy-to-get-back-up-after-youve-fallen/#comment-8425</link>
		<dc:creator>MuffyStJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake Reinhardt Maybe I&#039;m misinterpreting, but your comment sounds like a setup for having government assistance recipients justify all of their other purchases to their government and/or community to conform to a narrow view of what is appropriate for an aid recipient to purchase. It&#039;s bad enough that these families are silently being judged by strangers who don&#039;t know their circumstances (like their teachers). They don&#039;t need your &quot;help&quot; to keep from making what you deem &quot;shitty choices&quot; (like, uh, putting shoes on their kids&#039; feet). They need food. They qualify for assistance means they qualify for assistance. End of story. 

And when I say privilege, I mean the privilege a lot of us get from being born - being white, having penises, growing up in neighborhoods with good schools. You don&#039;t earn privilege, and it doesn&#039;t come from knowing how to spend your money; quite the opposite, privilege often means you just have more money to spend to begin with. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake Reinhardt Maybe I&#8217;m misinterpreting, but your comment sounds like a setup for having government assistance recipients justify all of their other purchases to their government and/or community to conform to a narrow view of what is appropriate for an aid recipient to purchase. It&#8217;s bad enough that these families are silently being judged by strangers who don&#8217;t know their circumstances (like their teachers). They don&#8217;t need your &#8220;help&#8221; to keep from making what you deem &#8220;shitty choices&#8221; (like, uh, putting shoes on their kids&#8217; feet). They need food. They qualify for assistance means they qualify for assistance. End of story. </p>
<p>And when I say privilege, I mean the privilege a lot of us get from being born &#8211; being white, having penises, growing up in neighborhoods with good schools. You don&#8217;t earn privilege, and it doesn&#8217;t come from knowing how to spend your money; quite the opposite, privilege often means you just have more money to spend to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: stuffisthings</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/06/its-not-easy-to-get-back-up-after-youve-fallen/#comment-8408</link>
		<dc:creator>stuffisthings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stuffisthings Yes. It&#039;s amazing how in America we forgive the rich almost any moral transgression, without questioning whether they &quot;deserve&quot; what they have, while the poor are expected to be moral paragons who always make perfect choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stuffisthings Yes. It&#8217;s amazing how in America we forgive the rich almost any moral transgression, without questioning whether they &#8220;deserve&#8221; what they have, while the poor are expected to be moral paragons who always make perfect choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Reinhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MuffyStJohn I don&#039;t know...it&#039;s not really an either/or thing though:  some people DID make shitty choices.  The difference in my opinion is that it is important to still help those that made shitty choices, but at the same time help them realize that there are better choices to be made.  Our current system does none of that.  This is why, as a teacher, I was frustrated when the same kids with free lunch had 3 pairs of $100+ shoes.  It&#039;s a stereotype, but it happens ALL THE TIME.  Their families qualified for assistance, which I think is good, but there was no &#039;life choice assistance&#039;.  I know I&#039;m explaining this poorly, but a large portion of privilege comes from knowing how to spend/save your money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MuffyStJohn I don&#8217;t know&#8230;it&#8217;s not really an either/or thing though:  some people DID make shitty choices.  The difference in my opinion is that it is important to still help those that made shitty choices, but at the same time help them realize that there are better choices to be made.  Our current system does none of that.  This is why, as a teacher, I was frustrated when the same kids with free lunch had 3 pairs of $100+ shoes.  It&#8217;s a stereotype, but it happens ALL THE TIME.  Their families qualified for assistance, which I think is good, but there was no &#8216;life choice assistance&#8217;.  I know I&#8217;m explaining this poorly, but a large portion of privilege comes from knowing how to spend/save your money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Reinhardt</title>
		<link>http://thebillfold.com/2012/06/its-not-easy-to-get-back-up-after-youve-fallen/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RachelG8489 It&#039;s less than a month&#039;s expenses in the way you are living CURRENTLY.  It&#039;s far more than a month if you knew you would be unemployed indeterminately and had to cut costs drastically.  I am more comfortable with a mac than pc, so I bought one that&#039;s a few years old for $400, because there is no way I could afford a pro-I&#039;m always surprised that so many people consider it a necessit; I hear this argument a lot.  $1700 is a lot of money; I imagine even more so to someone that has no money coming in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RachelG8489 It&#8217;s less than a month&#8217;s expenses in the way you are living CURRENTLY.  It&#8217;s far more than a month if you knew you would be unemployed indeterminately and had to cut costs drastically.  I am more comfortable with a mac than pc, so I bought one that&#8217;s a few years old for $400, because there is no way I could afford a pro-I&#8217;m always surprised that so many people consider it a necessit; I hear this argument a lot.  $1700 is a lot of money; I imagine even more so to someone that has no money coming in.</p>
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		<title>By: MuffyStJohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>MuffyStJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stuffisthings I see your point. For individual Democrats and Republicans alike: people are assholes, especially toward the poor. I think it&#039;s tied up with this myth of American ingenuity, invention, and upward mobility - the myth that tells us we&#039;re successful because we worked so hard, not because of inherent privilege or luck. Both sides of the aisle buy into this bullshit, and it makes it really easy to look a poor person in the eye (or on the Rolling Stone website) and say &quot;that person is poor because s/he made shitty choices, whereas they could have worked hard like me and been fine.&quot; The myth is deeply pervasive to our culture and it is at direct odds with actually working to lift up the downtrodden or build a net that keeps people from falling this far in the first place. For their part, Democrats seem to be a little less likely to buy that myth hook, line, and sinker, but Republicans are generally proud of just how hard they&#039;re willing to fight to keep from actually having to help anyone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stuffisthings I see your point. For individual Democrats and Republicans alike: people are assholes, especially toward the poor. I think it&#8217;s tied up with this myth of American ingenuity, invention, and upward mobility &#8211; the myth that tells us we&#8217;re successful because we worked so hard, not because of inherent privilege or luck. Both sides of the aisle buy into this bullshit, and it makes it really easy to look a poor person in the eye (or on the Rolling Stone website) and say &#8220;that person is poor because s/he made shitty choices, whereas they could have worked hard like me and been fine.&#8221; The myth is deeply pervasive to our culture and it is at direct odds with actually working to lift up the downtrodden or build a net that keeps people from falling this far in the first place. For their part, Democrats seem to be a little less likely to buy that myth hook, line, and sinker, but Republicans are generally proud of just how hard they&#8217;re willing to fight to keep from actually having to help anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: stuffisthings</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuffisthings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MuffyStJohn Also, I feel obliged to say that I didn&#039;t mean to make this a Republicans/Democrats thing. What worries me is that a lot of people who are ostensibly Democrats or socially progressive still have this weirdly judgmental attitude towards the poor.

A thought I had earlier on this subject: In America, the rich are forgiven almost any transgression, while the poor are expected to be perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MuffyStJohn Also, I feel obliged to say that I didn&#8217;t mean to make this a Republicans/Democrats thing. What worries me is that a lot of people who are ostensibly Democrats or socially progressive still have this weirdly judgmental attitude towards the poor.</p>
<p>A thought I had earlier on this subject: In America, the rich are forgiven almost any transgression, while the poor are expected to be perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: stuffisthings</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuffisthings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nf Exactly. I think that&#039;s why this article, and the response to it, has been stuck in my head all day. It was SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN to show middle class people that they, too, could fall, and a lot of them are responding &quot;No, because of [X tiny choice that one of the subjects made].&quot; 

I think it&#039;s mentioned in this article -- if it&#039;s not, it should be -- that there are three times more unemployed people than open job opportunities in this country. So even if every single unemployed person made a perfect effort to place themselves in a job, any job, and disregarding the obvious discrimination towards e.g. the homeless or &quot;over qualified,&quot; we&#039;re still left with 8,382,000 unemployed people (out of the 12,700,00 currently unemployed) who couldn&#039;t even POSSIBLY have jobs in the current economy.

I&#039;d hate to be the kind of person who felt that each of those nearly eight and a half million people had all done something morally wrong and therefore deserve to be destitute. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nf Exactly. I think that&#8217;s why this article, and the response to it, has been stuck in my head all day. It was SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN to show middle class people that they, too, could fall, and a lot of them are responding &#8220;No, because of [X tiny choice that one of the subjects made].&#8221; </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s mentioned in this article &#8212; if it&#8217;s not, it should be &#8212; that there are three times more unemployed people than open job opportunities in this country. So even if every single unemployed person made a perfect effort to place themselves in a job, any job, and disregarding the obvious discrimination towards e.g. the homeless or &#8220;over qualified,&#8221; we&#8217;re still left with 8,382,000 unemployed people (out of the 12,700,00 currently unemployed) who couldn&#8217;t even POSSIBLY have jobs in the current economy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hate to be the kind of person who felt that each of those nearly eight and a half million people had all done something morally wrong and therefore deserve to be destitute.</p>
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		<title>By: nf</title>
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		<dc:creator>nf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stuffisthings People really want to believe that something like this couldn&#039;t happen to them, and if it&#039;s happening to someone else that must be due to some stupid mistake that they wouldn&#039;t make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stuffisthings People really want to believe that something like this couldn&#8217;t happen to them, and if it&#8217;s happening to someone else that must be due to some stupid mistake that they wouldn&#8217;t make.</p>
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		<title>By: nf</title>
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		<dc:creator>nf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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